Eudora outlook

[csmdave]

what do you see as the future for Eudora? Because Qualcomm no longer
supports Eudora, is there a future for the program? I love Eudora and
would surely hate to lose it.
csmdave

[Steven Saunderson]

Post by csmdave
what do you see as the future for Eudora? Because Qualcomm no longer
supports Eudora, is there a future for the program? I love Eudora and
would surely hate to lose it.
csmdave

Eudora will probably always be an e-mail program. It's unlikely that it
will morph into a C++ compiler or a tape backup system.

Cheers,

[Han]

Post by csmdave
what do you see as the future for Eudora? Because Qualcomm no longer
supports Eudora, is there a future for the program? I love Eudora and
would surely hate to lose it.
csmdave

This is my take on this. I have been wrong before. Caveat lector!

The email protocols most likely will not change. If the authentication
protocols also stay the same or very similar, that will (together) mean
that Eudora will retain the same functionalities it has today.

But the possibility exists that instant messaging, chatting, or who knows
what (I'm not a teenager anymore!) will take a greater proportion of
internet communications. Therefore, as the old Greeks say, panta rei
(excuse spelling) or, everything is in flux.

Happy Daylight Saving Time!

[John H Meyers]

Post by csmdave
what do you see as the future for Eudora?

What you mean is the future for the environment
within which Eudora runs, since "classic" Eudora
had its final update years ago, but so did many programs
which I still use, having no need to replace,
even for those which have continued offering new versions
simply to add something decorative to their marketing appeal.

Users of the Macintosh version of classic Eudora need worry more,
because Eudora's last version for Mac OS X
was for a processor no longer used by Apple, which has an emulator
that Apple keeps threatening to disable in its next OS release.
Mac Eudora also depends on "resource forks" for its settings,
which is one thing you can't quite do without.

Nothing like that seems on the horizon for Windows --
the closest that Vista and Win7 have come is to mess with
the "treeview control" used by Eudora's address book,
but not so much as to disable adequate work-arounds.

The other destructive force in user abandonment of classic Eudora
under Windows is user ignorance about Windows, leading many
to think that Eudora has gone bad under Vista and Win7,
whereas what's wrong is most often users trying to keep mail
within the "program files" folders -- newer applications
have never let users have any such choice,
not even under any of the past decade's versions of Windows.

Microsoft, acting somewhat opposite to Apple, has worsened this situation
by helping to hide this "legacy" usage mistake from users,
which only makes things worse when all of the eventual consequences
appear to be the application's fault.

Meanwhile, who has any interest in developing personal email clients
as well as Eudora was developed, given that "free software"
(plus the trend towards "cloud-based" applications, also free)
may have somewhat killed off their value and marketability?

There are still both commercial and free clients, however,
including both Thunderbird and its Qualcomm-supported variant "Eudora OSE,"
plus (slightly inferior but working) freebies from OS vendors.

--

[Michael T. Davis]

Post by John H Meyers

Post by csmdave
what do you see as the future for Eudora?

[...]
The other destructive force in user abandonment of classic Eudora
under Windows is user ignorance about Windows, leading many
to think that Eudora has gone bad under Vista and Win7,
whereas what's wrong is most often users trying to keep mail
within the "program files" folders -- newer applications
have never let users have any such choice,
not even under any of the past decade's versions of Windows.
[...]

File this under (Microsoft saying), "Do as we say, not as we do."

This reminded me of a recent issue I had with an attempt to migrate
someone using Eudora to Outlook. This was on a brand new Windows 7 Enterprise
system that had just undergone user data migration via Microsoft's Easy
Transfer (from a system running Windows XP Pro). Eudora ("classic") works
just peachy, BTW, but the "powers that be" have declared it persona non grata.
The end-user specified a preference for Outlook, so...

With Eudora functional and configured as the default mail client, I
fired up Outlook and the first thing it did was offer to migrate the Eudora
settings. "Wow, that's pretty intuitive," I think to myself. I told it to
go ahead, the dialog disappeared and then...nothing happened. Some digging
reveals that if Outlook can't find the Eudora data, it just quietly dies.
But guess where Outlook is looking for the Eudora data... Now it's
understandable that older versions of Outlook would look for the Eudora data
where Eudora.exe is, because it wasn't until later versions of Eudora that
placement in Microsoft's preferred user data location was even an option. But
this is Outlook 2010! So apparently, Microsoft never updated their Eudora
migration code to match what more modern versions of Eudora prefer and what
Microsoft itself recommends. Sheesh!

There are apparently two work-arounds for this. Either you relocate
your Eudora data to the Eudora application folder (or more likely, copy it,
so it's still functional where Eudora wants it), or you modify the registry
to redefine the path to the Eudora application and change it to where your
Eudora data resides. (Since you're not running Eudora to migrate to Outlook,
this won't hurt things, but if you want to subsequently use Eudora, be sure to
change it back.) Here's the reg. path:

HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\App Paths\Eudora.exe

Hmm...as I write this and realize there's now an Outlook for Mac OS X,
I wonder what happens in that environment. Oh well, that's a test for another
day and another newsgroup.

Cheers,
Mike
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[DK]

Post by Michael T. Davis

Post by John H Meyers

Post by csmdave
what do you see as the future for Eudora?

[...]
The other destructive force in user abandonment of classic Eudora
under Windows is user ignorance about Windows, leading many
to think that Eudora has gone bad under Vista and Win7,
whereas what's wrong is most often users trying to keep mail
within the "program files" folders -- newer applications
have never let users have any such choice,
not even under any of the past decade's versions of Windows.
[...]

File this under (Microsoft saying), "Do as we say, not as we do."
This reminded me of a recent issue I had with an attempt to migrate
someone using Eudora to Outlook. This was on a brand new Windows 7 Enterprise
system that had just undergone user data migration via Microsoft's Easy
Transfer (from a system running Windows XP Pro). Eudora ("classic") works
just peachy, BTW, but the "powers that be" have declared it persona non grata.
The end-user specified a preference for Outlook, so...
With Eudora functional and configured as the default mail client, I
fired up Outlook and the first thing it did was offer to migrate the Eudora
settings. "Wow, that's pretty intuitive," I think to myself. I told it to
go ahead, the dialog disappeared and then...nothing happened. Some digging
reveals that if Outlook can't find the Eudora data, it just quietly dies.
But guess where Outlook is looking for the Eudora data... Now it's
understandable that older versions of Outlook would look for the Eudora data
where Eudora.exe is, because it wasn't until later versions of Eudora that
placement in Microsoft's preferred user data location was even an option. But
this is Outlook 2010! So apparently, Microsoft never updated their Eudora
migration code to match what more modern versions of Eudora prefer and what

If a program "prefers" to run from a particular directory, it's a bug.
Admittedly, it's a bug that usually belongs to the "feature" category,
but still. Insisting on default, almost hard-coded program locations
is one form of programmers' incompetence.

Post by Michael T. Davis
Microsoft itself recommends. Sheesh!

Apparently some genius couldn't come up with "Browse To" dialog
for importing data. Brilliant!

DK

[John H Meyers]

It's understandable that older versions of Outlook would look for the Eudora data
where Eudora.exe is, because it wasn't until later versions of Eudora that
placement in Microsoft's preferred user data location was even an option.

Eudora version 3 (1998?), while not offering any alternate "data" location
while installing, still accepts any alternate "data" path on its command line
(or program-launching shortcut), permitting multiple, alternate,
completely separate locations for different users,
which apparently also was never thought of by Outlook.

Thunderbird (and even "Eudora OSE") still can't, as of today,
import from any but the "data" folder of the last-run instance of (modern) Eudora,
as indicated by a particular Registry key.

They are also reported to not be able to find additional address books
that may be present in any "data" folder,
and some say have never actually imported any of their email.

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Post by csmdave
what do you see as the future for Eudora? Because Qualcomm no longer
supports Eudora, is there a future for the program? I love Eudora and
would surely hate to lose it.

Looks like this group is being infested with posts from someone selling mailbox conversion software. I wonder how long they will persist.

Their web site is very strange. They don't give much info on who they are or how to contact them. Links for important things like "terms of use" don't work. I can only think that they are some sort of phishing group or are involved in some other illegal scam.

Rick C.