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Eudora 7 and Windows 10 -do they work?
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csmdave
2015-08-20 21:55:39 UTC
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a new PC is sraig me in the face and this is one of my questions.
My son is after me to go Apple -how does Eudora work with Apple?

csmdave
Ajo Wissink
2015-08-20 22:52:58 UTC
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:55:39 -0700 (PDT), csmdave
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a new PC is sraig me in the face and this is one of my questions.
My son is after me to go Apple -how does Eudora work with Apple?
csmdave
Eudora works fine in Windows 10.

Apple has changed its operating system after the last release of the
Mac version of Eudora. That means that you cannot use Eudora on an
Apple computer.
b***@gmail.com
2015-09-30 15:59:55 UTC
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:55:39 -0700 (PDT), csmdave
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a new PC is sraig me in the face and this is one of my questions.
My son is after me to go Apple -how does Eudora work with Apple?
csmdave
Eudora works fine in Windows 10.
I find E crashes when I try to install it in 10. Any advice please?
b***@gmail.com
2015-10-01 16:24:15 UTC
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I sorted it, just installed it all into one folder. Works fine then. Simples! :-)
Dennis Lee Bieber
2015-08-21 00:26:29 UTC
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a new PC is sraig me in the face and this is one of my questions.
My son is after me to go Apple -how does Eudora work with Apple?
NO Windows applications will run on an Apple Macintosh -- unless you
are running Windows itself inside a virtualization package (or maybe under
WINE).

The last version of Eudora for Mac is version 6.x -- I don't know if
that is even compatible with OS-X. Nor if registration codes are available
for it (whereas there are a number of valid codes available to unlock
Windows Eudora 7.1)
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Paul Christensen
2015-10-12 16:28:36 UTC
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a new PC is sraig me in the face and this is one of my questions.
My son is after me to go Apple -how does Eudora work with Apple?
csmdave
I just upgraded to Win 10 from Win 7. I have used Eudora 7.1.0.9. for years because of it's flexibility for my uses. I want to keep the app.

Here are some issues I have found:
Problems clicking links in emails - appears Win 10 is preventing links from working with none Microsoft browsers. Edge and IE work. Chrome and Firefox do not (when chosen as default

browser). I have to copy the link and paste it into Chrome.

Email attachment links will not open as they did in Win 7. I can get around this one if I right click open with and have the needed app in the list, but it's a hassle.

mailto: links work in Eudora.

Also all of the hyperlinks work in other apps like Office. In other words non Eudora apps are using the OS default for the operation.

I would sure like to know if others are having these issues and if there are any fixes
c***@gmail.com
2015-10-21 20:08:39 UTC
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a new PC is sraig me in the face and this is one of my questions.
My son is after me to go Apple -how does Eudora work with Apple?
csmdave
I just upgraded to Win 10 from Win 7. I have used Eudora 7.1.0.9. for years because of it's flexibility for my uses. I want to keep the app.
Problems clicking links in emails - appears Win 10 is preventing links from working with none Microsoft browsers. Edge and IE work. Chrome and Firefox do not (when chosen as default
browser). I have to copy the link and paste it into Chrome.
Email attachment links will not open as they did in Win 7. I can get around this one if I right click open with and have the needed app in the list, but it's a hassle.
mailto: links work in Eudora.
Also all of the hyperlinks work in other apps like Office. In other words non Eudora apps are using the OS default for the operation.
I would sure like to know if others are having these issues and if there are any fixes
Thanks Paul for sharing this information. I am going from Windows XP to Windows 7 and want to install Eudora which I have been using since the beginning so it is great to hear that you have had it working well with that combination. I am sorry you are having trouble using it with 10. Hopefully someone else will now how to solve this.
i***@gmail.com
2015-11-23 23:05:33 UTC
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a new PC is sraig me in the face and this is one of my questions.
My son is after me to go Apple -how does Eudora work with Apple?
csmdave
This is how I got Eudora 7 to work with Windows 10:

How to run Eudora v7 on Windows 10
http://goo.gl/yOdRZA

It does not require re-installation of Eudora 7, and appears to run and store data in /Program Files/eudora
j***@gmail.com
2016-07-30 15:32:57 UTC
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a new PC is sraig me in the face and this is one of my questions.
My son is after me to go Apple -how does Eudora work with Apple?
csmdave
I think that one problem people may be having is user data is in the program files folder. Windows 10 may not like that. But also, Windows 10 installation deleted the address of the file folder where I keep the Eudora data files (mailboxes, folders, .ini file, attachments.) from the shortcut which starts the program I had the data in a folder outside the program files folder -- in another drive, in fact. Once I restored the address in the shortcut to Eudora, it worked. The shortcut that works looks like this: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe" "d:\eudora_data\"
l***@gmail.com
2018-02-06 17:16:24 UTC
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I tried one suggestion
Use Windows Explorer to set Eudora to: Run as Administrator
which did nothing.
Then I edited the shortcut that calls Eudora to Run as Administrator, and that does work,
Dennis Lee Bieber
2018-02-06 17:36:44 UTC
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I tried one suggestion
Use Windows Explorer to set Eudora to: Run as Administrator
which did nothing.
Then I edited the shortcut that calls Eudora to Run as Administrator, and that does work,
Should not have been needed -- unless you have misconfigured the
installation by having it store user data in the protected program files
directory.

The only other item is that, since Win7 changed registry locations for
some stuff, you have to turn OFF the option in Eudora that tries to set
itself as the system Email program (run ONCE as admin with that option ON
to create an initial registry entry, then turn the option off). You must
use the Win7/Win10 "set default programs" feature to define Eudora as the
email program to be used.

I've been using Eudora since Win95, through W98SE, WinXPpro, Win7Pro,
and now Win10Pro... And never need to run it in admin mode after the
initial configuration.
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T***@t-bonham.net
2018-09-28 02:39:41 UTC
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Last night (2018-09-26) I updated to the latest version of Windows 10 (version 1803, build 17134.320).

Suddenly all the links in email messages don't open a webpage in my browser (Chrome 69).

Anybody else seen this problem?
And anyone have a solution?
g***@gmail.com
2018-09-29 19:22:09 UTC
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Last night (2018-09-26) I updated to the latest version of Windows 10 (version 1803, build 17134.320).
Suddenly all the links in email messages don't open a webpage in my browser (Chrome 69).
Anybody else seen this problem?
And anyone have a solution?
My Eudora still will open things in a browser. It is getting mailto: links in the browser to open an email in Eudora that doesn't work. Seems there is no way to get Windows to recognize Eudora as a proper email program.

Rick C.
Ajo Wissink
2018-09-30 03:56:52 UTC
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Post by T***@t-bonham.net
Last night (2018-09-26) I updated to the latest version of Windows 10 (version 1803, build 17134.320).
Suddenly all the links in email messages don't open a webpage in my browser (Chrome 69).
Anybody else seen this problem?
Yes, that seems to be one of the "features" of Windows 10 updates. It
happens to quite a few people.
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And anyone have a solution?
Simple. Open Control Panel and reset the default program for your
browsing.
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Piet
2018-10-01 08:24:36 UTC
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Last night (2018-09-26) I updated to the latest version of Windows 10
(version 1803, build 17134.320).
Suddenly all the links in email messages don't open a webpage in my browser (Chrome 69).
Anybody else seen this problem?
Yes, that seems to be one of the "features" of Windows 10 updates.
It happens to quite a few people.
Quite a few? How do you know?
The Win update to 1803/17134.32 didn't affect my Eudore: clicking
a link in an e-mail starts my default browser as before. Whether
that's due to my browser being PaleMoon, not Chrome, I don't know.
Post by Ajo Wissink
Post by T***@t-bonham.net
And anyone have a solution?
Simple. Open Control Panel and reset the default program for your
browsing.
If that's the problem, clicking on .htm/.html files in the windows
manager wouldn't open (in) the browser either. Easily checked.

-p
T***@t-bonham.net
2018-09-30 04:39:22 UTC
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Well, today it works again -- clicking on a link in a Eudora email opens that link in Chrome browses.

Things I did since then:
- ran Windows Update again; it found a couple more patches that it downloaded & applied.
- re-booted my machine.
- re-did my default programs, to specify Eudora for email & Chrome for webpages (it said that those were the settings I already had, but I re-specified them anyway).
- re-booted my machine again.

I don't know which, if any, of those actions fixed it, but it now works again!
g***@gmail.com
2018-09-30 13:01:20 UTC
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Well, today it works again -- clicking on a link in a Eudora email opens that link in Chrome browses.
- ran Windows Update again; it found a couple more patches that it downloaded & applied.
- re-booted my machine.
- re-did my default programs, to specify Eudora for email & Chrome for webpages (it said that those were the settings I already had, but I re-specified them anyway).
- re-booted my machine again.
I don't know which, if any, of those actions fixed it, but it now works again!
I expect it was the third step, setting your defaults.

When it isn't working, what does it do? Does it open a different browser or nothing at all?

Rick C.
T***@t-bonham.net
2018-10-01 00:10:17 UTC
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When it didn't work, nothing happened. It did not open a webpage in Chrome (or any other browser), did not show an error message, just no response.

I fear that someday I may have to stop using Eudora, when an OS update makes it unworkable. What do I switch to then?
I'm leaning toward Thunderbird. I really would like to retain the 23 years (90,000 email messages that I have saved.
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Post by T***@t-bonham.net
Well, today it works again -- clicking on a link in a Eudora email opens that link in Chrome browses.
- ran Windows Update again; it found a couple more patches that it downloaded & applied.
- re-booted my machine.
- re-did my default programs, to specify Eudora for email & Chrome for webpages (it said that those were the settings I already had, but I re-specified them anyway).
- re-booted my machine again.
I don't know which, if any, of those actions fixed it, but it now works again!
I expect it was the third step, setting your defaults.
When it isn't working, what does it do? Does it open a different browser or nothing at all?
Rick C.
Larc
2018-10-01 04:04:20 UTC
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 17:10:17 -0700 (PDT), ***@t-bonham.net wrote:

| When it didn't work, nothing happened. It did not open a webpage in Chrome (or any other browser), did not show an error message, just no response.
|
| I fear that someday I may have to stop using Eudora, when an OS update makes it unworkable. What do I switch to then?
| I'm leaning toward Thunderbird. I really would like to retain the 23 years (90,000 email messages that I have saved.

That can be done. Google to find and then install Thunderbird 31.6.0 with Eudora
still installed. That is the last version that enabled switchover from Eudora. When
it's installed, simply upgrade to the latest Thunderbird (currently 52.9.1). Once
you are sure everything you wanted to keep was saved, you can uninstall Eudora. It
worked great for me.

Larc
Piet
2018-10-01 08:38:10 UTC
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| I fear that someday I may have to stop using Eudora, when an OS update
| makes it unworkable. What do I switch to then? | I'm leaning toward
| Thunderbird. I really would like to retain the 23 years (90,000 email
| messages that I have saved.
That can be done. Google to find and then install Thunderbird 31.6.0 with
Eudora still installed. That is the last version that enabled switchover
from Eudora. When it's installed, simply upgrade to the latest Thunderbird
(currently 52.9.1). Once you are sure everything you wanted to keep was
saved, you can uninstall Eudora. It worked great for me.
I tried it long ago. It was such a horrendous disaster that I gave up.
As of yet Eudora still works like a charm for me, under Win 7, 8, 10.
I do use Thunderbird too, but only for news. For mail it doesn't even
pass my man-or-boy test: the group or list syntax that was already
present in RFC822. Eudora handles that just fine. And Thunderbird
doesn't even come close to the configuration and parametrization
possibilities of Eudora, in particular by means of its .ini file(s).

-p
Larc
2018-10-01 13:41:01 UTC
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On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 10:38:10 +0200, Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> wrote:

| Larc wrote:
| > ***@t-bonham.net wrote:
| > | I fear that someday I may have to stop using Eudora, when an OS update
| > | makes it unworkable. What do I switch to then? | I'm leaning toward
| > | Thunderbird. I really would like to retain the 23 years (90,000 email
| > | messages that I have saved.
| >
| > That can be done. Google to find and then install Thunderbird 31.6.0 with
| > Eudora still installed. That is the last version that enabled switchover
| > from Eudora. When it's installed, simply upgrade to the latest Thunderbird
| > (currently 52.9.1). Once you are sure everything you wanted to keep was
| > saved, you can uninstall Eudora. It worked great for me.
|
| I tried it long ago. It was such a horrendous disaster that I gave up.
| As of yet Eudora still works like a charm for me, under Win 7, 8, 10.
| I do use Thunderbird too, but only for news. For mail it doesn't even
| pass my man-or-boy test: the group or list syntax that was already
| present in RFC822. Eudora handles that just fine. And Thunderbird
| doesn't even come close to the configuration and parametrization
| possibilities of Eudora, in particular by means of its .ini file(s).

It was an intensive process getting Thunderbird set up properly. But once I did, it
has been working quite satisfactorily. I do miss Eudora a bit, but not the problems
I had once I started using multiple Gmail addresses (problems were more extensive
than Stunnel could fix). Windows keeps moving on while Eudora stands still. It's
all too clear what that means for Eudora's future unless somebody steps in and
modernizes it.

BTW, I don't use Thunderbird for news, but Agent.

Larc
Piet
2018-10-03 09:56:11 UTC
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| > | I fear that someday I may have to stop using Eudora, when an OS update
| > | makes it unworkable. What do I switch to then? | I'm leaning toward
| > | Thunderbird. I really would like to retain the 23 years (90,000 email
| > | messages that I have saved.
| >
| > That can be done. Google to find and then install Thunderbird 31.6.0 with
| > Eudora still installed. That is the last version that enabled switchover
| > from Eudora. When it's installed, simply upgrade to the latest Thunderbird
| > (currently 52.9.1). Once you are sure everything you wanted to keep was
| > saved, you can uninstall Eudora. It worked great for me.
|
| I tried it long ago. It was such a horrendous disaster that I gave up.
| As of yet Eudora still works like a charm for me, under Win 7, 8, 10.
| I do use Thunderbird too, but only for news. For mail it doesn't even
| pass my man-or-boy test: the group or list syntax that was already
| present in RFC822. Eudora handles that just fine. And Thunderbird
| doesn't even come close to the configuration and parametrization
| possibilities of Eudora, in particular by means of its .ini file(s).
It was an intensive process getting Thunderbird set up properly.
It wasn't/isn't just a matter of setting up. A basic problem of Thunderbird
as mail client is that it tries to combine the official RFC-defined Internet
world with Microsoft's self-invented world. Although it isn't self-invented
in the true sense of the word: MS failed to make the transition to Internet
mail and got stuck in the past. That was in the 80's when I used Unix with
(non-RFC-conformant) delivermail and switched to (RFC-conformant) sendmail.
Post by Larc
But once I did, it has been working quite satisfactorily.
You're lucky. I never got that far, and loosing 10 years or so of mail, and
in particular attachments, wasn't an option and thus a showstopper.
Post by Larc
I do miss Eudora a bit
I can imagine why...
Post by Larc
but not the problems
Eudora (i.e. Eudora 7) does have some problems, in particular a very nasty
race condition, but I've found a workaround that I can live with.
Post by Larc
I had once I started using multiple Gmail addresses
I don't and won't use gmail and similar services. I have several accounts
with a "normal" provider that I'm very happy with, and I'm using literally
dozens of e-mail addresses. And it all works fine with Eudora.
Post by Larc
than Stunnel could fix). Windows keeps moving on while Eudora stands still.
True. But as yet I don't see an equally flexible serious alternative.
Post by Larc
It's all too clear what that means for Eudora's future unless somebody steps
in and modernizes it.
Agreed. But I may not live long enough to see that happen. And with "happen"
I don't mean just modernization in the sense of alpha or beta versions, but
a truly usable modernized version. So as long as Eudora works I'll use it.

-p
Jim H
2018-10-04 14:05:37 UTC
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Eudora (i.e. Eudora 7) does have some problems, in particular a very nasty
race condition, but I've found a workaround that I can live with.
What is the race condition and its workaround... please?
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Piet
2018-10-05 13:45:23 UTC
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Eudora (i.e. Eudora 7) does have some problems, in particular a very
nasty race condition, but I've found a workaround that I can live with.
What is the race condition and its workaround... please?
A situation where Eudora constantly and unstoppably keeps connecting
to the mailservers and trying to sync (IMAP) or fetch (POP) messages.
And if you close Eudora with its window's x, there's a fair chance
that Eudora crashes (which means having to remove OWNER.LOK before
you can start it again).
The workaround is simple: set File / Work offline before you close
Eudora and unset it after starting Eudora (again).

An odd thing of Eudora is that it connects to IMAP servers right
after you've started it, even if you've unchecked "Check Mail" for
all IMAP accounts. Don't know if it's related to the race condition.

-p
Dennis Lee Bieber
2018-10-05 14:26:05 UTC
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An odd thing of Eudora is that it connects to IMAP servers right
after you've started it, even if you've unchecked "Check Mail" for
all IMAP accounts. Don't know if it's related to the race condition.
A proper IMAP account has all your mailboxes on the server itself, not
local. IMAP clients may create copies of the contents for off-line work or
to save the download delay when one accesses a message, but technically the
local mailboxes need to be synchronized to the server. Every move you make
triggers an update to the server.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Message_Access_Protocol
"""
Clients may store local copies of the messages, but these are considered to
be a temporary cache
"""
"""
When using IMAP4, clients often stay connected as long as the user
interface is active and download message content on demand
"""
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Piet
2018-10-05 15:37:11 UTC
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A proper IMAP account has all your mailboxes on the server itself, not
local. IMAP clients may create copies of the contents for off-line work
It may do so, yes, but I'm glad Eudora and my Android smartphone's mailer
do maintain copies. In particular the latter means I can read messages in
any place without having to be connected.
Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Message_Access_Protocol
"""
When using IMAP4, clients often stay connected as long as the user
interface is active and download message content on demand
"""
Yeah, you're right. Completely forgot about that. Must be the age. ;-)

-p

Jim H
2018-10-05 14:55:12 UTC
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Post by Piet
Eudora (i.e. Eudora 7) does have some problems, in particular a very
nasty race condition, but I've found a workaround that I can live with.
What is the race condition and its workaround... please?
A situation where Eudora constantly and unstoppably keeps connecting
to the mailservers and trying to sync (IMAP) or fetch (POP) messages.
And if you close Eudora with its window's x, there's a fair chance
that Eudora crashes (which means having to remove OWNER.LOK before
you can start it again).
The workaround is simple: set File / Work offline before you close
Eudora and unset it after starting Eudora (again).
An odd thing of Eudora is that it connects to IMAP servers right
after you've started it, even if you've unchecked "Check Mail" for
all IMAP accounts. Don't know if it's related to the race condition.
Thank you.

Ive been using Eudora 7 since it became available, tho never have used
IMAP, always POP. Have never set offline operation and have never had
problems like you describe above.
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Dennis Lee Bieber
2018-10-01 06:11:21 UTC
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When it didn't work, nothing happened. It did not open a webpage in Chrome (or any other browser), did not show an error message, just no response.
I fear that someday I may have to stop using Eudora, when an OS update makes it unworkable. What do I switch to then?
I'm leaning toward Thunderbird. I really would like to retain the 23 years (90,000 email messages that I have saved.
Still in development (getting about two releases a month) is Pandora.
I've actually transitioned to using it as the primary, and only popping up
Eudora when I encounter something that isn't displaying properly in Pandora
(yes -- while Pandora does handle UTF there are some badly formatted emails
that can be recovered by Eudora <G>)

Pandora will import Eudora mailboxes (and attempts to import
personalities, filters, et al). Filters are set up differently which may
cause some problems -- and my Junk box often seems to end up with a
negative count [I suspect junk algorithm and a filter both may be junking a
message and throwing the count off].

A Google search probably won't find it (too many hits for streaming
music and some other application using the same name)

http://www.drivehq.com/web/brana/pandora.htm


And then there is that group that claims to be working with recently
released Eudora source code...
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g***@gmail.com
2018-10-03 06:07:22 UTC
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When it didn't work, nothing happened. It did not open a webpage in Chrome (or any other browser), did not show an error message, just no response.
I fear that someday I may have to stop using Eudora, when an OS update makes it unworkable. What do I switch to then?
I'm leaning toward Thunderbird. I really would like to retain the 23 years (90,000 email messages that I have saved.
I can't explain your problem. I click on a link in an email and it opens the default browser under Win 10 which for me is Firefox always. Sometimes it also brings up a dialog asking if I want to open an app and offers to look in the store. If I try to do a search on selected text it brings up an error web page. Or I can send the email to the browser which first opens a dialog box... but none of these fail with no indication.

I used to use Codewright as an editor, but at some point it stopped working and I can no longer get it to work. So I guess software does eventually break.

Rick C.
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