Acceptable alternatives to Eudora on Windows?

[Gilles]

Hello

I'm tired of getting unreadable e-mails laced with UTF-8 characters,
and the Message Viewer plug-in (www.drivehq.com/web/brana/)
work-around doesn't cut it when almost all incoming e-mails are
UTF8-based.

I was wondering what the acceptable alternatives there are that I
should check: I know about Thunderbird and TheBat. Are there others I
should know about?

Thank you.

PS: In addition to this newsgroup, I know there's an active Eudora
mailing list somewhere but Google didn't return anything. Does someone
know?

[Tim Streater]

Post by Gilles
Hello
I'm tired of getting unreadable e-mails laced with UTF-8 characters,
and the Message Viewer plug-in (www.drivehq.com/web/brana/)
work-around doesn't cut it when almost all incoming e-mails are
UTF8-based.
I was wondering what the acceptable alternatives there are that I
should check: I know about Thunderbird and TheBat. Are there others I
should know about?

I've created:

http://www.iletter.org.uk

which may or may not suit you.

[Gilles]

On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 11:54:46 +0000, Tim Streater

Post by Tim Streater
http://www.iletter.org.uk

Thanks but I prefer fat applications than web apps:
"Although a web-browser (Safari for OS X, Chrome for Win7 and Linux
Mint) is used to present the interface, the user is not particularly
aware of that."

[Mutley]

Post by Gilles
On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 11:54:46 +0000, Tim Streater

Post by Tim Streater
http://www.iletter.org.uk

"Although a web-browser (Safari for OS X, Chrome for Win7 and Linux
Mint) is used to present the interface, the user is not particularly
aware of that."

I've actually given up with Eudora 7 and have moved to Outlook and
another who's name escapes me now and I was having problems sending
email with one of my ISPs and couldn't get Gmail to work properly .
Both due to security updates to their services that Eudora had never
heard of when it was designed.

Was a great email client but like Win 2000 / XP it's had it's day..

[Gilles]

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 16:56:51 +1300, Mutley

Post by Mutley
I've actually given up with Eudora 7 and have moved to Outlook and
another who's name escapes me now and I was having problems sending
email with one of my ISPs and couldn't get Gmail to work properly .
Both due to security updates to their services that Eudora had never
heard of when it was designed.
Was a great email client but like Win 2000 / XP it's had it's day..

I don't understand what you ended up using.

Eudora -> Outlook + Gmail -> ?

BTW, for those interested, the alternative ng/mailing list is
Eudora-Win ("An Internet discussion group about the Eudora e-mail
client for Microsoft Windows."):

http://www.listmoms.net/eudora-win/

[Mutlley]

Post by Gilles
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 16:56:51 +1300, Mutley

Post by Mutley
I've actually given up with Eudora 7 and have moved to Outlook and
another who's name escapes me now and I was having problems sending
email with one of my ISPs and couldn't get Gmail to work properly .
Both due to security updates to their services that Eudora had never
heard of when it was designed.
Was a great email client but like Win 2000 / XP it's had it's day..

I don't understand what you ended up using.
Eudora -> Outlook + Gmail -> ?
BTW, for those interested, the alternative ng/mailing list is
Eudora-Win ("An Internet discussion group about the Eudora e-mail
http://www.listmoms.net/eudora-win/

I ended up using Outlook 365 via outlook.com and for my old ISP a
client called eM. Both work fine where Eudora wouldn't . The od
thing is that Eudora works fine with outlook.com but not Gmail or my
old ISP.

For what it's worth I have been using Eudora since about release 1.5
back in 1995 when I first jointed the net and my original ISP
supplied a disk with it on it..

[f***@ecofuture.org]

In addition to this newsgroup, I know there's an active Eudora mailing list... Does someone know?

The eudora-win list is excellent and has a high signal to noise ratio. Subscribe at http://listmoms.net .

[ClamRake]

Gilles wrote.

Post by Gilles

Post by Gilles
PS: In addition to this newsgroup, I know there's an active Eudora
mailing list somewhere but Google didn't return anything. Does someone
know?

BTW, for those interested, the alternative ng/mailing list is
Eudora-Win ("An Internet discussion group about the Eudora e-mail
http://www.listmoms.net/eudora-win/

A question:

The value the list mentioned here seem confusing to me.
http://www.listmoms.net/eudora-win/
run thru http://listmoms.net

What is the advantage of a list being served to "everyone every time"
vs a news group that one can visit when desired & catch up on what's
going on?

It seems to me that having my HD space get taken up with regular list
updates. Plus having to create and run another email instance just
for a list seems wasteful. Or I could just put it into one of my
regualry open email instances, However that seems cumbersome too.

Whereas a NewsGroup is a whole lot more convenient, isn't it?

Clamrake

[Gilles]

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[Juergen Kah]

Post by Gilles
To make matters worse, that Eudora mailing list is not archived :-/

Hmm, you are not forced to use it.
But you are right, very often same questions same day or the other day,
cause users think they only need to read only when they have problems
and writing same question once more instead of saving all the solving
info, but that's life, isn't it? ;-) Similar to the newsgroups...

If you are saving all incoming mails from the list, you are able to
search for info via Eudora itself offline "for your own" help. If you
prefer the newsgroup, you will have to use it ;-) Very simple.

Juergen

[Jim Thompson]

Post by Juergen Kah

Post by Gilles
To make matters worse, that Eudora mailing list is not archived :-/

Hmm, you are not forced to use it.
But you are right, very often same questions same day or the other day,
cause users think they only need to read only when they have problems
and writing same question once more instead of saving all the solving
info, but that's life, isn't it? ;-) Similar to the newsgroups...
If you are saving all incoming mails from the list, you are able to
search for info via Eudora itself offline "for your own" help. If you
prefer the newsgroup, you will have to use it ;-) Very simple.
Juergen

I have the list E-mails dating back to March 19, 2012. If I can get
some time I'll run them thru UltraEdit and get rid of the extraneous
headers... though it just struck me... if I just Zip up
Eudora-List.toc and Eudora-List.mbx, anyone can read it from Eudora
itself... correct ??

...Jim Thompson

[Dennis Lee Bieber]

On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 14:33:49 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
headers... though it just struck me... if I just Zip up
Eudora-List.toc and Eudora-List.mbx, anyone can read it from Eudora
itself... correct ??

Don't even need the TOC if you make sure to do a compress-mailboxes
operation -- that removes the message that the TOC says were deleted and
packs the remaining messages.

Eudora can open the MBX file and extract the headers to build a list of
messages -- for the most part MBX files look just like old Linux/Unix
mailbox files.

[Tim Streater]

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[Gilles]

On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 22:37:58 +0000, Tim Streater

Post by Tim Streater
Everyone has email. Not everyone has a usenet client or can be arsed to
understand what usenet is. And Eudora is an email client, not a usenet
one.

That's what Nabble and Gmane are for: Offering archives + web
interface to mailing lists for those opposed to web-based forums.

[Jim Thompson]

Post by Gilles
Hello
I'm tired of getting unreadable e-mails laced with UTF-8 characters,
and the Message Viewer plug-in (www.drivehq.com/web/brana/)
work-around doesn't cut it when almost all incoming e-mails are
UTF8-based.
I was wondering what the acceptable alternatives there are that I
should check: I know about Thunderbird and TheBat. Are there others I
should know about?
Thank you.
PS: In addition to this newsgroup, I know there's an active Eudora
mailing list somewhere but Google didn't return anything. Does someone
know?

Here you go, three years worth of the Eudora-Win Digests...

<http://www.analog-innovations.com/Eudora-List.zip>

...Jim Thompson

[Gilles]

On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 16:08:16 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Here you go, three years worth of the Eudora-Win Digests...
<http://www.analog-innovations.com/Eudora-List.zip>

Thanks much.

Instructions for others:
1. Stop Eudora
2. Unzip the two files (TOC + MBX) into Eudora's data directory,
alongside In.mbx etc;
3. Restart Eudora: You now have a folder called "Eudora-List".

I searched for "eudora alternative", but no hit :-/

[Ajo Wissink]

Post by Gilles
On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 16:08:16 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Here you go, three years worth of the Eudora-Win Digests...
<http://www.analog-innovations.com/Eudora-List.zip>

I searched for "eudora alternative", but no hit :-/

Try "replace Eudora" instead.

BTW, have you looked at incredimail? I think it's produced by Fisher
Price ;-

[Jim Thompson]

On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 12:30:08 -0300, Ajo Wissink

Post by Ajo Wissink

Post by Gilles
On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 16:08:16 -0700, Jim Thompson

Post by Jim Thompson
Here you go, three years worth of the Eudora-Win Digests...
<http://www.analog-innovations.com/Eudora-List.zip>

I searched for "eudora alternative", but no hit :-/

Try "replace Eudora" instead.
BTW, have you looked at incredimail? I think it's produced by Fisher
Price ;-

Sno-o-o-o-ort ;-) Fortunately I had just set down my coffee cup.

...Jim Thompson

[Gilles]

Do you know of other alternatives for Windows?

Thunderbird + Eudora OSE (ex-Penelope)
The Bat
Outlook

[Gilles]

Post by Gilles
Do you know of other alternatives for Windows?

Wikipedia returned two native applications that are still under
development:

Pegasus Mail www.pmail.com
www.emclient.com

[Dennis Lee Bieber]

Post by Gilles

Post by Gilles
Do you know of other alternatives for Windows?

Wikipedia returned two native applications that are still under
Pegasus Mail www.pmail.com

And not a single picture of a screen grab on the whole site...

[Gilles]

On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 20:45:52 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by Gilles
Pegasus Mail www.pmail.com

And not a single picture of a screen grab on the whole site...

Yes, I was also looking for screenshots to have a rough idea.

www.google.com/search?q=Pegasus+Mail+for+Windows&tbm=isch

OTOH, Pegasus has been available for over a decade, and although free,
is surprisingly still in development. I wonder how its author make a
living from that freeware.

[Dennis Lee Bieber]

Post by Gilles
On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 20:45:52 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by Gilles
Pegasus Mail www.pmail.com

And not a single picture of a screen grab on the whole site...

Yes, I was also looking for screenshots to have a rough idea.
www.google.com/search?q=Pegasus+Mail+for+Windows&tbm=isch
OTOH, Pegasus has been available for over a decade, and although free,
is surprisingly still in development. I wonder how its author make a
living from that freeware.

The history page claims it is by charging for the manuals -- but I
couldn't find any link for such (the "manuals" tab just brings up a page
bragging about how the software is free).

I had more support from Stanford for VLT back in the late 80s... (a
VT/Tektronix terminal emulator for the Amiga; I had it scripted to dial
into my shell account [yes, that long ago], exec TIA [Serial Line IP],
disconnect from the serial port [leaving it online though], start AmiTCP,
and then reconnect as a Telnet client).

[Thibaud Taudin Chabot]

Post by Gilles
Do you know of other alternatives for Windows?
Thunderbird + Eudora OSE (ex-Penelope)
The Bat
Outlook

Eudora OSE has a tool for importing all your previuous Eudora emails!

[Gilles]

On Tue, 07 Apr 2015 11:26:06 +0200, Thibaud Taudin Chabot

Post by Thibaud Taudin Chabot
Eudora OSE has a tool for importing all your previuous Eudora emails!

That's one important point, but before worrying about importing old
e-mails from Eudora*, the main point to me is how well it works
compared to Eudora.

* At worst, just write an AutoIt script to loop through them

[Juergen Kah]

Post by Gilles
That's one important point, but before worrying about importing old
e-mails from Eudora*, the main point to me is how well it works
compared to Eudora.

Perhaps _you_ should try cause only you know you own needs ;-)

You should think about what's coming next after you would change to
OSE... how to export etc? Younger generations meanwhile only few
knowledge about emails... ask them ;-) For young people everything is in
the "cloud", no export, no import, no transfer, nothing needed. New
smartphone = one touch with same personality, same password at the cloud
and everything's running on. But... no internet, no "cloud", nothing ;-)

I for my part don't need another mail client, up to now haven't found
anything for MY needs other than Eudora. So what?

I am able to trust new certificates.
I am able to search within Eudora (without X) very fast.
I am able to read Eudora mailboxes via txt-Editor, at last/at least.
I am able to do little bit with Brana-Utilities (some free, some paid).
What more?

Juergen

[BobbyK]

Just wondering. Is the spate of messages asking for alternatives to
Eudora a bellwether?

I've missed it if my Eudora 7.1.0.9 is going away.

BK

[Gilles]

Post by Juergen Kah
I for my part don't need another mail client, up to now haven't found
anything for MY needs other than Eudora. So what?

How does it handle incoming e-mails in UTF-8 with all those European
accented characters?

[Juergen Kah]

Post by Gilles
How does it handle incoming e-mails in UTF-8 with all those European
accented characters?

I don't have that much mails with unreadable characters ;-)
Those with accented characters I am able to "interpret" nevertheless, as
for me I only need the sense of the message.

Have tried to use UTF-8-plugin, but after Katrina described the
problems, I disabled the plugin.

I am able to "interpret" Polish emails, too (ancestors-mailinglist), of
course always needed Google translator, but up to now I understand the
sense of those mails.

Juergen

[Gilles]

Post by Juergen Kah
I don't have that much mails with unreadable characters ;-)

I do, on a daily basis.

Hence the need for an alternative.

Post by Juergen Kah
Those with accented characters I am able to "interpret" nevertheless, as
for me I only need the sense of the message.

How do you handle replies, with all those garbage characters? Do you
retype all the e-mails?

[jetjock]

Post by Gilles

Post by Juergen Kah
I don't have that much mails with unreadable characters ;-)

I do, on a daily basis.
Hence the need for an alternative.

Post by Juergen Kah
Those with accented characters I am able to "interpret" nevertheless, as
for me I only need the sense of the message.

How do you handle replies, with all those garbage characters? Do you
retype all the e-mails?

Check out Brana's "Greek Message Viewer" to get rid of the unreadable
characters in Eudora. There are other plugins available there also
that you may find useful. Below are detailed instructions for use of
the Greek plugin.

You not only have to install the Greek viewer, you have to open it to
view the message. The easiest way to do that is to create a shortcut
icon for plain text and HTML on your toolbar. (Rt. click open space to
right of toolbar, customize, plugins. Look at left for "view-plain
text version & view-HTML version. Drag each of them to your toolbar.)
Now, with your message open, just click one of those icons (I prefer
HTML). The first time you open the viewer window, the message will not
have changed. You now have to click View, character encoding and check
"Unicode---(UTF) - 8. It will stay checked until you change it to
something else, but it's doubtful that will ever be necessary as UTF-8
is the main culprit for Eudora's "weird symbols" problem. The message
should now be readable in the pop-up window you opened. You can edit,
copy, cut-paste etc. in this window.

[Gilles]

Post by jetjock
Check out Brana's "Greek Message Viewer" to get rid of the unreadable
characters in Eudora.

Yes, I mentioned this plug-in in my first message.

Copy/pasting each reply gets tiring fast. Hence the search for an
alternative.

[Juergen Kah]

Post by Gilles
How do you handle replies, with all those garbage characters? Do you
retype all the e-mails?

I quote _only_ those words needed to understand my answer ;-)
So if there are few characters unreadable, I retype them.

Have never quoted complete email, so for my way of answering up to now
no problem.

Juergen

[Gilles]

Post by Juergen Kah
I quote _only_ those words needed to understand my answer ;-)
So if there are few characters unreadable, I retype them.
Have never quoted complete email, so for my way of answering up to now
no problem.

It's a PITA for me.

[Tim Streater]

Post by Thibaud Taudin Chabot

Post by Gilles
Do you know of other alternatives for Windows?
Thunderbird + Eudora OSE (ex-Penelope)
The Bat
Outlook

Eudora OSE has a tool for importing all your previuous Eudora emails!

OSE is just an old version of Thunderbird, nothing special at all.

[RIC]

Post by Gilles
The Bat

I choose this one...I'm using it since august 2014..it's the best
alternative (i've been using Eudora 1998-->2014).
Why do you discard it?

There are some problem importing email from eudora (the attachments are
not automatically reconnected to the email..but it's not a great
problem...it's a good idea to save the old eudora attachments folder)
and the search is not the super-fast Eudora's search..but it's good..and
has no problem with UTF-8. There is a good forum into the thebat
website.

Regards
Riccardo

[Gilles]

Post by Gilles
I'm tired of getting unreadable e-mails laced with UTF-8 characters,
and the Message Viewer plug-in (www.drivehq.com/web/brana/)
work-around doesn't cut it when almost all incoming e-mails are
UTF8-based.

Incidently, is there someone still using Eudora who is

- either a Perl expert : What about modifying the open-source SPAM
filter POPFile so that any incoming UTF-8 e-mail turned whatever
charset Eudora understands (http://getpopfile.org/browser)

- or has the skills to write a UTF8-to-whatever proxy which It would
sit in front of Eudora, and possibly other proxies, and take care of
the conversion from UTF-8
?

It would seem an easier solution than dumping Eudora entirely and move
to current alternatives.

[Juergen Kah]

Post by Gilles
- either a Perl expert : What about modifying the open-source SPAM
filter POPFile so that any incoming UTF-8 e-mail turned whatever
charset Eudora understands (http://getpopfile.org/browser)

1. perhaps you have clicked too much here and there and thus getting
more spam as usual? Or you have subsribed for too much mailing lists,
newsletters etc?

I for my part have no (NO) additional software for mailwashing, spam
washing etc, neither on mailserver nor local, I only use Eudora with its
ability to filter. I download "all" my spam to my local laptop, not
knowing how much spam my mailprovider is "killing".

2. pls have a look at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows-1252
there you will find a link, too, for describtion UTF-8.

3. Katrina wrote in the mailing-list
| UTF-8 AKA "Unicode" is a character set that allows for a very, very
| large number of characters, allowing it to be used for writing in
| most languages. The older character sets that preceeded it were much more
| limited in which characters they contained because they were limited
| to 256 characters. Eudora uses us-ascii or ISO-8859-1, which are designed
| for writing in English. ISO-8859-1 contains a lot of accented characters
| and Greek letters but you can't use it to write in Chinese or Arabic.
and
| There is a good explanation of character sets, including the history
| behind them here
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2012/06/06/all-about-unicode-utf8-character-sets/
| Unlike this explanation, it is not massively simplified, so it is
rather lengthy.

You will have to do it yourself or... to look for an expert willing to
spend lot of time for you ;-)

Post by Gilles
- or has the skills to write a UTF8-to-whatever proxy

Why don't you accept that Eudora is not able to handle UTF8? I for my
part have no problems, but I have no Chinese mail contact ;-) (perhaps
in English, so no problem, too)

Juergen

[Gilles]

Post by Juergen Kah
1. perhaps you have clicked too much here and there and thus getting
more spam as usual? Or you have subsribed for too much mailing lists,
newsletters etc?

Thanks but it's not related to what I'm asking here. I was just
mentioning POPFile because 1) I'm already using it and 2) it's
open-source so a competent developer could maybe dive into the code
and find if it can be made to first convert any UTF8 e-mail into
whatever local charset that Eudora supports (such as Latin1/ISO
8859-1).

Post by Juergen Kah
3. Katrina wrote in the mailing-list
| UTF-8 AKA "Unicode" is a character set that allows for a very, very
| large number of characters

Sure, but the only problematic e-mails I get those in a specific
European language, since English is no issue. So I have no need for an
add-on that would support other charsets than Latin1.

Post by Juergen Kah
Why don't you accept that Eudora is not able to handle UTF8?

Because the alternative e-mail clients don't look very good, so before
moving on, it made sense to make sure there's no add-on that could be
added just to handle this conversion.

Incidently, it's nothing compared to what someone did with EccoPro:
www.bizjournals.com/prnewswire/press_releases/2013/01/23/CG46736

Good bye.

[Dennis Lee Bieber]

Post by Gilles
Thanks but it's not related to what I'm asking here. I was just
mentioning POPFile because 1) I'm already using it and 2) it's
open-source so a competent developer could maybe dive into the code
and find if it can be made to first convert any UTF8 e-mail into
whatever local charset that Eudora supports (such as Latin1/ISO
8859-1).

By definition, real UTF-8 is NOT supported by any single 8-bit
character set -- and that's why you see such odd text; Eudora is displaying
the 8-bit character assigned to each part of a multi-byte character
encoding.

ISO-Latin-1 only supports 256 code-points (and some of those of "non
visible"). UTF-8 uses any code >127 as a flag to combine this byte with the
next byte to produce a character with more than 7-bits.

So if you intend to view using Eudora, you either end up substituting
some "undisplayable character mark" (many use a "?"), OR you display each
byte of UTF-8 as if it were an 8-bit character in the current encoding.

[Gilles]

On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 21:15:44 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
So if you intend to view using Eudora, you either end up substituting
some "undisplayable character mark" (many use a "?"), OR you display each
byte of UTF-8 as if it were an 8-bit character in the current encoding.

This is indeed what I had in mind.

For my purpose, I only need to convert a few diacritic caracters (é,
à, ç, etc.). Not rocket science.

[Gilles]

Post by Gilles
I'm tired of getting unreadable e-mails laced with UTF-8 characters,
and the Message Viewer plug-in (www.drivehq.com/web/brana/)
work-around doesn't cut it when almost all incoming e-mails are
UTF8-based.

BTW, since In.mbx is a text file, does someone know if it's OK to
modify this file while Eudora is running, and tell Eudora to rebuild
its index + refresh the mailboxes (eg. Special > Compact Mailboxes)?
Running an external app to doctor In.mbx would be a simple way to
convert problematic characters.

I also notice that Tools > Filters can search Body for a regex, and
call a third-party application if it finds the pattern.

[Dennis Lee Bieber]

Post by Gilles

Post by Gilles
I'm tired of getting unreadable e-mails laced with UTF-8 characters,
and the Message Viewer plug-in (www.drivehq.com/web/brana/)
work-around doesn't cut it when almost all incoming e-mails are
UTF8-based.

BTW, since In.mbx is a text file, does someone know if it's OK to
modify this file while Eudora is running, and tell Eudora to rebuild
its index + refresh the mailboxes (eg. Special > Compact Mailboxes)?
Running an external app to doctor In.mbx would be a simple way to
convert problematic characters.

NO...

The TOC file contains pointers to the start of each message. Compact
Mailboxes scans the TOC looking for entries marked "deleted" and copies the
later messages up over the area the deleted message had occupied, and then
updated the TOC.

If you modify the length of a message body, subsequent bodies will
become out of sync with the TOC file pointer.

If you are planning to go to the level of an external application
anyway, you might as well run a POP3 Fetchmail application which can do the
conversion (running via a scheduled task), and redirect Eudora to
"retrieve" messages from the Fetchmail application. Of course, if you have
multiple POP3 servers, your application will need to fetch from each, and
somehow flag messages so that Eudora can differentiate the origination
server.

[Gilles]

On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 20:01:30 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
If you are planning to go to the level of an external application
anyway, you might as well run a POP3 Fetchmail application which can do the
conversion (running via a scheduled task), and redirect Eudora to
"retrieve" messages from the Fetchmail application.

Thanks. That's what I suggested earlier in the thread when I mentioned
using a POP3 proxy to handle this conversion. I'll check out
Fetchmail.

Incidently, I seem to have found the EMS SDK and the latest PDF:

http://pot-pourri.fltr.ucl.ac.be/files/eudora/developers/emsapi/

Eudora Extended Message Services API Version 4
http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/pc/mail/eudora/developers/emsapi/emsv4a4.pdf

"The translators in a plug-in are executed in the following contexts:

On-arrival — When the message arrives from the mail server
non-interactive translations can occur. It is also possible for a
translator to indicate processing (MIME parsing and further
translation) of the message structure should be suspended until it can
be done in an interactive context." etc.

[DK]

Post by Gilles
Hello
I'm tired of getting unreadable e-mails laced with UTF-8 characters,
and the Message Viewer plug-in (www.drivehq.com/web/brana/)
work-around doesn't cut it when almost all incoming e-mails are
UTF8-based.
I was wondering what the acceptable alternatives there are that I
should check: I know about Thunderbird and TheBat. Are there others I
should know about?

More specifically, is there anything that can be used as free floating
windows instead of the three panes that seem to be so prevalent
in all modern email and Usenet clients?

I keep using 15-20 years old programs just because I hate the
stupid panes.

DK

[p***@gmail.com]

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If you still like Eudora but want/need an updated mail client there is Pandora, now up to version 2.1 (https://www.drivehq.com/web/brana/pandora.htm) as well as Hermes Messenger, a currently under active development (https://sourceforge.net/projects/hermesmail/0

[Larc]

On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 09:12:34 -0700 (PDT), ***@gmail.com wrote:

| If you still like Eudora but want/need an updated mail client there is Pandora, now up to version 2.1 (https://www.drivehq.com/web/brana/pandora.htm) as well as Hermes Messenger, a currently under active development (https://sourceforge.net/projects/hermesmail/0

I was a huge fan of Eudora and used it for years, but it presented too many problems
when I moved from Earthlink mail to Gmail. I shifted to Thunderbird and find it easy
to use and very good.

Larc

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Post by Larc
| If you still like Eudora but want/need an updated mail client there is Pandora, now up to version 2.1 (https://www.drivehq.com/web/brana/pandora.htm) as well as Hermes Messenger, a currently under active development (https://sourceforge.net/projects/hermesmail/0
I was a huge fan of Eudora and used it for years, but it presented too many problems
when I moved from Earthlink mail to Gmail. I shifted to Thunderbird and find it easy
to use and very good.

I tried using Thunderbird for newgroup access and it was fine for some time, until it inexplicably broke one day and I could not get it working correctly again. So I tried SeaMonkey which is based on the same code base. It eventually also broke.

I've never used anything else for email and find it just works. Eudora has been my email client for 20 years now. I have contributed to Hermes and hope to see it looking and working like Eudora, but with the few broken features fixed.

Rick C.

[Larc]

On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 22:18:35 -0700 (PDT), ***@gmail.com wrote:

| On Sunday, March 10, 2019 at 5:08:16 PM UTC-4, Larc wrote:
| > On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 09:12:34 -0700 (PDT), ***@gmail.com wrote:
| >
| > | If you still like Eudora but want/need an updated mail client there is Pandora, now up to version 2.1 (https://www.drivehq.com/web/brana/pandora.htm) as well as Hermes Messenger, a currently under active development (https://sourceforge.net/projects/hermesmail/0
| >
| > I was a huge fan of Eudora and used it for years, but it presented too many problems
| > when I moved from Earthlink mail to Gmail. I shifted to Thunderbird and find it easy
| > to use and very good.
|
| I tried using Thunderbird for newgroup access and it was fine for some time, until it inexplicably broke one day and I could not get it working correctly again. So I tried SeaMonkey which is based on the same code base. It eventually also broke.

I've been using Thunderbird for nearly 4 years now and it hasn't broken yet [knock on
wood]. I do keep a copy of Eudora on another PC to check occasionally for Earthlink
email that missed getting forwarded to one of my Gmail accounts.

Larc

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Post by Larc
| >
| > | If you still like Eudora but want/need an updated mail client there is Pandora, now up to version 2.1 (https://www.drivehq.com/web/brana/pandora.htm) as well as Hermes Messenger, a currently under active development (https://sourceforge.net/projects/hermesmail/0
| >
| > I was a huge fan of Eudora and used it for years, but it presented too many problems
| > when I moved from Earthlink mail to Gmail. I shifted to Thunderbird and find it easy
| > to use and very good.
|
| I tried using Thunderbird for newgroup access and it was fine for some time, until it inexplicably broke one day and I could not get it working correctly again. So I tried SeaMonkey which is based on the same code base. It eventually also broke.
I've been using Thunderbird for nearly 4 years now and it hasn't broken yet [knock on
wood]. I do keep a copy of Eudora on another PC to check occasionally for Earthlink
email that missed getting forwarded to one of my Gmail accounts.

I believe I used T-bird for about that length of time as well. I tend to retain messages and some suggested that is what broke it. I'm so glad I wasn't using it for my email, that is very important to me for archival storage. Eudora is supreme in the regard.

Rick C.