Discussion:
Queued Emails do not get sent.
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Geoff
2006-05-16 00:36:41 UTC
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I have been using Eudora version 5 at home for many years. Suddenly
messages queued are not sent, when the send queued message button is
clicked nothing happens. To send emails I must tick the send
immediately box in options-sending mail-immediate send.

This is not convenient

The Email appears in the outbox as queued not sendable.

I am sure that I have not deliberately changed any settings or
installed new software immediately prior to this problem.

Your assistance would be appreciated.

Geoff.
Wayne
2006-05-16 17:55:08 UTC
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Post by Geoff
I have been using Eudora version 5 at home for many years. Suddenly
messages queued are not sent, when the send queued message button is
clicked nothing happens. To send emails I must tick the send
immediately box in options-sending mail-immediate send.
Eudora menu Tools - Options - Checking Mail... has a Send on Check
box which must be on (to send queued messages).

If not the default personality, then also each personality has property
of Check Mail which must be on.
Jim Higgins
2006-05-17 16:29:12 UTC
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Post by Wayne
Post by Geoff
I have been using Eudora version 5 at home for many years. Suddenly
messages queued are not sent, when the send queued message button is
clicked nothing happens. To send emails I must tick the send
immediately box in options-sending mail-immediate send.
Eudora menu Tools - Options - Checking Mail... has a Send on Check
box which must be on (to send queued messages).
If not the default personality, then also each personality has property
of Check Mail which must be on.
Huh?

I thought Send on Check simply sent all queued messages automatically
whenever checking for incoming mail. The OP isn't complaining that
isn't happening; he's complaining that explicitly pressing "Send
Queued Messages" doesn't send messages.

And I'll add to that. Messages queued to be sent at a specific time
also aren't automatically sent at that time. Yes, Eudora is up and
running when that time arrives.
Dillon Pyron
2006-05-23 18:17:42 UTC
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Post by Jim Higgins
Post by Wayne
Post by Geoff
I have been using Eudora version 5 at home for many years. Suddenly
messages queued are not sent, when the send queued message button is
clicked nothing happens. To send emails I must tick the send
immediately box in options-sending mail-immediate send.
Eudora menu Tools - Options - Checking Mail... has a Send on Check
box which must be on (to send queued messages).
If not the default personality, then also each personality has property
of Check Mail which must be on.
Huh?
I thought Send on Check simply sent all queued messages automatically
whenever checking for incoming mail. The OP isn't complaining that
isn't happening; he's complaining that explicitly pressing "Send
Queued Messages" doesn't send messages.
And I'll add to that. Messages queued to be sent at a specific time
also aren't automatically sent at that time. Yes, Eudora is up and
running when that time arrives.
Does it ever get sent? Do you have "send on check" selected? I
believe the behavior is actually "on or after" and it does the send on
the next check. I'll have to do some testing to find out for sure,
I've never really thought about it.
--
dillon

I didn't climb to the top of the
food chain to become a vegetarian.
Jim Higgins
2006-05-24 16:23:22 UTC
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On Tue, 23 May 2006 13:17:42 -0500, Dillon Pyron
Post by Dillon Pyron
Post by Jim Higgins
Post by Wayne
Post by Geoff
I have been using Eudora version 5 at home for many years. Suddenly
messages queued are not sent, when the send queued message button is
clicked nothing happens. To send emails I must tick the send
immediately box in options-sending mail-immediate send.
Eudora menu Tools - Options - Checking Mail... has a Send on Check
box which must be on (to send queued messages).
If not the default personality, then also each personality has property
of Check Mail which must be on.
Huh?
I thought Send on Check simply sent all queued messages automatically
whenever checking for incoming mail. The OP isn't complaining that
isn't happening; he's complaining that explicitly pressing "Send
Queued Messages" doesn't send messages.
And I'll add to that. Messages queued to be sent at a specific time
also aren't automatically sent at that time. Yes, Eudora is up and
running when that time arrives.
Does it ever get sent?
No, not unless I manually send it.
Post by Dillon Pyron
Do you have "send on check" selected?
No, I don't want to send whatever might be there just because I happen
to check email.
Post by Dillon Pyron
I believe the behavior is actually "on or after" and it does the send on
the next check.
Not in my experience it doesn't... but I don't have "Send on Check"
turned on because I don't want the additional behavior that results
in.
Dillon Pyron
2006-05-24 21:20:59 UTC
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Post by Jim Higgins
On Tue, 23 May 2006 13:17:42 -0500, Dillon Pyron
Post by Dillon Pyron
Post by Jim Higgins
Post by Wayne
Post by Geoff
I have been using Eudora version 5 at home for many years. Suddenly
messages queued are not sent, when the send queued message button is
clicked nothing happens. To send emails I must tick the send
immediately box in options-sending mail-immediate send.
Eudora menu Tools - Options - Checking Mail... has a Send on Check
box which must be on (to send queued messages).
If not the default personality, then also each personality has property
of Check Mail which must be on.
Huh?
I thought Send on Check simply sent all queued messages automatically
whenever checking for incoming mail. The OP isn't complaining that
isn't happening; he's complaining that explicitly pressing "Send
Queued Messages" doesn't send messages.
And I'll add to that. Messages queued to be sent at a specific time
also aren't automatically sent at that time. Yes, Eudora is up and
running when that time arrives.
Does it ever get sent?
No, not unless I manually send it.
Post by Dillon Pyron
Do you have "send on check" selected?
No, I don't want to send whatever might be there just because I happen
to check email.
Post by Dillon Pyron
I believe the behavior is actually "on or after" and it does the send on
the next check.
Not in my experience it doesn't... but I don't have "Send on Check"
turned on because I don't want the additional behavior that results
in.
Out of curiosity, what is the undesireable behavior?
--
dillon

I didn't climb to the top of the
food chain to become a vegetarian.
Jim Higgins
2006-05-25 15:01:38 UTC
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On Wed, 24 May 2006 16:20:59 -0500, Dillon Pyron
Post by Dillon Pyron
Post by Jim Higgins
On Tue, 23 May 2006 13:17:42 -0500, Dillon Pyron
Post by Dillon Pyron
Post by Jim Higgins
Post by Wayne
Post by Geoff
I have been using Eudora version 5 at home for many years. Suddenly
messages queued are not sent, when the send queued message button is
clicked nothing happens. To send emails I must tick the send
immediately box in options-sending mail-immediate send.
Eudora menu Tools - Options - Checking Mail... has a Send on Check
box which must be on (to send queued messages).
If not the default personality, then also each personality has property
of Check Mail which must be on.
Huh?
I thought Send on Check simply sent all queued messages automatically
whenever checking for incoming mail. The OP isn't complaining that
isn't happening; he's complaining that explicitly pressing "Send
Queued Messages" doesn't send messages.
And I'll add to that. Messages queued to be sent at a specific time
also aren't automatically sent at that time. Yes, Eudora is up and
running when that time arrives.
Does it ever get sent?
No, not unless I manually send it.
Post by Dillon Pyron
Do you have "send on check" selected?
No, I don't want to send whatever might be there just because I happen
to check email.
Post by Dillon Pyron
I believe the behavior is actually "on or after" and it does the send on
the next check.
Not in my experience it doesn't... but I don't have "Send on Check"
turned on because I don't want the additional behavior that results
in.
Out of curiosity, what is the undesireable behavior?
Here's what I want...

1. When I check for mail I want to receive mail without sending any
mail that's currently queued to be sent.

2. When mail is queued to send at a specific time I want it to be
sent at that time.

3. When I click SEND I want all queued mail to be sent except mail
queued to be sent at a specific time in the future.

I am getting everything but #2.
Katrina Knight
2006-05-26 21:12:40 UTC
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Post by Jim Higgins
Here's what I want...
1. When I check for mail I want to receive mail without sending any
mail that's currently queued to be sent.
2. When mail is queued to send at a specific time I want it to be
sent at that time.
3. When I click SEND I want all queued mail to be sent except mail
queued to be sent at a specific time in the future.
I am getting everything but #2.
The status symbol for mail that is queued for a certain time is different
from mail that is just queued. Does your problem mail show as being
time-queued? (If you're using the old icons, the symbol is a little clock,
although that is kind of hard to distinguish sometimes. I'm not sure what
it is in the new icons, but I'd guess it is similar.)

Are you sure that your system clock and date is set correctly? If it is
off, that will screw up sending at a specified time.
--
Katrina
Jim Higgins
2006-05-27 21:48:14 UTC
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Post by Katrina Knight
Post by Jim Higgins
Here's what I want...
1. When I check for mail I want to receive mail without sending any
mail that's currently queued to be sent.
2. When mail is queued to send at a specific time I want it to be
sent at that time.
3. When I click SEND I want all queued mail to be sent except mail
queued to be sent at a specific time in the future.
I am getting everything but #2.
The status symbol for mail that is queued for a certain time is different
from mail that is just queued. Does your problem mail show as being
time-queued? (If you're using the old icons, the symbol is a little clock,
although that is kind of hard to distinguish sometimes. I'm not sure what
it is in the new icons, but I'd guess it is similar.)
The icon looks like a little blue ball with the letter "L" in it. I
suppose those are the hands of the clock in the 3 o'clock position.
Post by Katrina Knight
Are you sure that your system clock and date is set correctly? If it is
off, that will screw up sending at a specified time.
I'm sure.
Katrina Knight
2006-05-31 15:33:52 UTC
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Post by Jim Higgins
Post by Katrina Knight
Post by Jim Higgins
2. When mail is queued to send at a specific time I want it to be
sent at that time.
The status symbol for mail that is queued for a certain time is different
from mail that is just queued. Does your problem mail show as being
time-queued?
The icon looks like a little blue ball with the letter "L" in it. I
suppose those are the hands of the clock in the 3 o'clock position.
That sounds right. So the messages really are being time-queued.

Which version of Eudora are you using? I know that time-queueing works in
general in 7.0.1, but it seems to me that there was at least one version a
while back where it didn't work quite right.
--
Katrina
Jim Higgins
2006-06-02 03:24:11 UTC
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Post by Katrina Knight
Post by Jim Higgins
Post by Katrina Knight
Post by Jim Higgins
2. When mail is queued to send at a specific time I want it to be
sent at that time.
The status symbol for mail that is queued for a certain time is different
from mail that is just queued. Does your problem mail show as being
time-queued?
The icon looks like a little blue ball with the letter "L" in it. I
suppose those are the hands of the clock in the 3 o'clock position.
That sounds right. So the messages really are being time-queued.
Which version of Eudora are you using? I know that time-queueing works in
general in 7.0.1, but it seems to me that there was at least one version a
while back where it didn't work quite right.
Sorry - I sould have mentioned earlier... I'm using 7.0.1.0 Paid
Version. That's the latest unless there's been a beta posted since.

What do you mean when you say that time queueing "works in general?"

I've had this problem for a while, but forget which version it started
with. I've mentioned it before and I'm 100% positive I got several
"Me toos!" last time, but I don't seem to have kept the details.

I wish they'd fix this nagging little stuff before adding any more
features like Boss Watch and that Chili Pepper thing I don't care
enough about to load Eudora to get the real name of... ;-)
Katrina Knight
2006-06-08 17:17:09 UTC
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Post by Jim Higgins
Post by Katrina Knight
Which version of Eudora are you using? I know that time-queueing works in
general in 7.0.1, but it seems to me that there was at least one version a
while back where it didn't work quite right.
Sorry - I sould have mentioned earlier... I'm using 7.0.1.0 Paid
Version. That's the latest unless there's been a beta posted since.
What do you mean when you say that time queueing "works in general?"
It isn't categorically broken - that is it works for me and some other
people. That doesn't mean it isn't broken under some specific set of
circumstances though. If you're having a problem, then it obviously is
broken for you for some reason.

So, we now know that you're using a version of Eudora that is known to be
able to correctly send time-queued messages. What we need to do is figure
out whether there's a specific set of circumstances that make it unable to
do so or whether there's something going on with your data files that is
causing the problem or whether something else is interfering. I can't
think of an explanation of how anything outside of Eudora could be causing
this problem.

What happens if you set up another instance of Eudora with a clean data
directory, setting up just the minimal amount to allow you to send mail
with a single personality. Can you get it to send time-queued mail then?
Post by Jim Higgins
I wish they'd fix this nagging little stuff before adding any more
features like Boss Watch and that Chili Pepper thing I don't care
enough about to load Eudora to get the real name of... ;-)
Moodwatch. Moodwatch is definitely one of the more useless features I've
ever seen. If the rumor I once heard was correct, someone designed that
and gave it to them though, so I don't know if they really spent any time
on it at all. I think its main use was to shut up the media
people who were complaining that Eudora didn't have anything in
it to protect users from "offensive" mail. Bosswatch actually does have
uses, although the one hinted at by its name is not the most useful one.
One good use for it is to warn you if you're replying to more than one
person. Some people end up having issues with accidentally replying to a
list of people when they only meant to reply to the sender, or with
replying to a mailing list instead of the individual sender. Bosswatch can
be used to prevent that from happening, thus potentially saving a lot of
embaressment.

The big problem with fixing this type of problem is that some problems
are caused by problems with the user's data files, not with the program.
Some are also caused by a combination of factors that is sufficiently
obscure that no one reports the problem during beta testing, or they
report it but no one figures out how to reproduce it. I don't know which,
if either, category this one falls into. It may fall into the category of
being sufficiently obscure that they just haven't gotten around to fixing
it. I know they don't always fix problems even when they know about them,
and that can definitely be annoying.
--
Katrina
Jim Higgins
2006-06-11 20:57:45 UTC
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Post by Katrina Knight
Post by Jim Higgins
Post by Katrina Knight
Which version of Eudora are you using? I know that time-queueing works in
general in 7.0.1, but it seems to me that there was at least one version a
while back where it didn't work quite right.
Sorry - I sould have mentioned earlier... I'm using 7.0.1.0 Paid
Version. That's the latest unless there's been a beta posted since.
What do you mean when you say that time queueing "works in general?"
It isn't categorically broken - that is it works for me and some other
people. That doesn't mean it isn't broken under some specific set of
circumstances though. If you're having a problem, then it obviously is
broken for you for some reason.
So, we now know that you're using a version of Eudora that is known to be
able to correctly send time-queued messages. What we need to do is figure
out whether there's a specific set of circumstances that make it unable to
do so or whether there's something going on with your data files that is
causing the problem or whether something else is interfering. I can't
think of an explanation of how anything outside of Eudora could be causing
this problem.
What happens if you set up another instance of Eudora with a clean data
directory, setting up just the minimal amount to allow you to send mail
with a single personality. Can you get it to send time-queued mail then?
I changed the name of the original data directory and then created a
new empty directory with the original data directory name. Had to
fill in new server/account info after which I confirmed ability to
send and receive email, but NOT to send queued mail. No joy.

Understand something here... dating back quite a few versions Eudora
has had an admitted problem with determining whether an Internet
connection is available on some systems. The reasons for the problem
have never been explained and I suppose - OK, I at least hope - that
if they were known they would be fixed. I think the failure to send
time-queued mail is related to this other problem that also doesn't
manifest on all systems. But I don't know. And the point is that I
shouldn't have to wonder version after version.

I truly wish Qualcomm would look a bit more proactively into finally
fixing the remaining problems they DO know about. Skip work on new
features for a while just work on known problems. Fixing that memory
leak a version or so back was a bigger improvement than all the
feature additions like Bosswatch and that silly chilli pepper thing.
Best thing I can think of that wasn't purely a bug fix is the new
faster search.
Post by Katrina Knight
Post by Jim Higgins
I wish they'd fix this nagging little stuff before adding any more
features like Boss Watch and that Chili Pepper thing I don't care
enough about to load Eudora to get the real name of... ;-)
Moodwatch. Moodwatch is definitely one of the more useless features I've
ever seen. If the rumor I once heard was correct, someone designed that
and gave it to them though, so I don't know if they really spent any time
on it at all. I think its main use was to shut up the media
people who were complaining that Eudora didn't have anything in
it to protect users from "offensive" mail. Bosswatch actually does have
uses, although the one hinted at by its name is not the most useful one.
Moodwatch and Bosswatch are both "nanny" features. I only hope their
functions are all contained in separate DLLs that don't load unless
these features are turned on. I suspect that isn't the case.
Post by Katrina Knight
One good use for it is to warn you if you're replying to more than one
person. Some people end up having issues with accidentally replying to a
list of people when they only meant to reply to the sender, or with
replying to a mailing list instead of the individual sender. Bosswatch can
be used to prevent that from happening, thus potentially saving a lot of
embaressment.
What can I say? When I compose mail I can see who I address it TO:,
who I CC: it to and who I BCC: it to and I can take responsibility for
my actions. It's nanny-ware and I don't like nanny-ware. I suppose
the guy I used to work with who sent the email saying that he barely
recognized the boss's wife at the company Christmas party because she
didn't have her legs up in the air would disagree with me. Natural
selection can be a real bitch. ;-)
Post by Katrina Knight
The big problem with fixing this type of problem is that some problems
are caused by problems with the user's data files, not with the program.
Some are also caused by a combination of factors that is sufficiently
obscure that no one reports the problem during beta testing, or they
report it but no one figures out how to reproduce it. I don't know which,
if either, category this one falls into. It may fall into the category of
being sufficiently obscure that they just haven't gotten around to fixing
it. I know they don't always fix problems even when they know about them,
and that can definitely be annoying.
And there you have it. I think I'll just accept that at least one
other person recognizes and has given voice to the fact that Qualcomm
ignores known problems. That's likely to be the most satisfaction I'm
going to get.

Thanks for trying to help.

Rick
2006-05-25 15:10:34 UTC
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Post by Jim Higgins
I thought Send on Check simply sent all queued messages automatically
whenever checking for incoming mail. The OP isn't complaining that
isn't happening; he's complaining that explicitly pressing "Send
Queued Messages" doesn't send messages.
And I'll add to that. Messages queued to be sent at a specific time
also aren't automatically sent at that time. Yes, Eudora is up and
running when that time arrives.
Do you have "Check Mail" checked? If I don't check the mail on a
particular personality, queued mail won't send. Ver. 6.2.3.4

Rick
Jim Higgins
2006-05-26 15:21:21 UTC
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Post by Rick
Post by Jim Higgins
I thought Send on Check simply sent all queued messages automatically
whenever checking for incoming mail. The OP isn't complaining that
isn't happening; he's complaining that explicitly pressing "Send
Queued Messages" doesn't send messages.
And I'll add to that. Messages queued to be sent at a specific time
also aren't automatically sent at that time. Yes, Eudora is up and
running when that time arrives.
Do you have "Check Mail" checked? If I don't check the mail on a
particular personality, queued mail won't send. Ver. 6.2.3.4
I have "Check Mail" checked for the personalities involved. I have no
problem sending queued mail manually for personalities for which
"Check Mail" is not checked. If you meant mail queued to send at a
future time won't send, I'd have to say that "Check Mail" is not the
issue.
Rick
2006-05-31 13:09:15 UTC
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Post by Jim Higgins
Post by Rick
Do you have "Check Mail" checked? If I don't check the mail on a
particular personality, queued mail won't send. Ver. 6.2.3.4
I have "Check Mail" checked for the personalities involved. I have no
problem sending queued mail manually for personalities for which
"Check Mail" is not checked. If you meant mail queued to send at a
future time won't send, I'd have to say that "Check Mail" is not the
issue.
I just got back to this forum.
When I say that queued mail will not send unless "check mail" is
checked, I mean it won't send automatically. It can be sent manually, by
holding the shift key and clicking on "Queue" or "Send". This is the
way it works for me. (Or doesn't work, your choice.) Setting a time for
sending later is not involved. I don't know if that works, as I never
use it.

Rick
Katrina Knight
2006-05-31 15:40:01 UTC
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Post by Rick
When I say that queued mail will not send unless "check mail" is
checked, I mean it won't send automatically. It can be sent manually, by
holding the shift key and clicking on "Queue" or "Send". T
The only time when it matters whether you have a personality set to check
mail is if you're trying to use "send on check" to send your mail. I'm not
sure now whether you were replying to the person who was having trouble
with sending mail manually or to the one who was having trouble with
time-queued messages, but that option should not apply to either of those
circumstances. "Send queued messages" should send all queued messages,
assuming they weren't time-queued. Time-queued messages should go out at
the appointed time, assuming that Eudora is running.
--
Katrina
Geoff
2006-05-17 22:23:30 UTC
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Thanks for the help but the solutions do not make any difference,
still the same, mail is sent only on send immediately.

The prog has been installed for some time, maybe windows has lost
something so I'll bakup the data files and reinstall.

Thanks for your time.

Geoff
Post by Geoff
I have been using Eudora version 5 at home for many years. Suddenly
messages queued are not sent, when the send queued message button is
clicked nothing happens. To send emails I must tick the send
immediately box in options-sending mail-immediate send.
This is not convenient
The Email appears in the outbox as queued not sendable.
I am sure that I have not deliberately changed any settings or
installed new software immediately prior to this problem.
Your assistance would be appreciated.
Geoff.
Katrina Knight
2006-05-31 15:53:16 UTC
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Post by Geoff
Thanks for the help but the solutions do not make any difference,
still the same, mail is sent only on send immediately.
The prog has been installed for some time, maybe windows has lost
something so I'll bakup the data files and reinstall.
Windows shouldn't have any control over whether Eudora chooses to send
messages or not. Various things outside of Eudora could make Eudora
fail when trying to send them, but I can't think of anything that would
make it selectively not try. The fact that they're sent when "send
immediately" is turned on indicates that Eudora is capable of sending
them, which should rule out the possibity that Eudora is trying to send
them and failing.

This could be a problem with the outbox being corrupted or it might
possibly be a problem with something in eudora.ini. If you have a large
number of sent messages stored in your outbox, that can cause problems
with the outbox. How big is your outbox? If it is over 1 MB in size, try
emptying it and see if that solves your problem. If it doesn't, after
emptying it, close Eudora and delete out.mbx and out.toc. Eudora will
create a new outbox for you when you start it again and if the problem was
with the mailbox being corrupted, that should fix it regardless of how it
happened.

If that doesn't work, you might want to try using a new copy of
eudora.ini.
--
Katrina
Jim Higgins
2006-06-02 03:26:13 UTC
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Post by Katrina Knight
Post by Geoff
Thanks for the help but the solutions do not make any difference,
still the same, mail is sent only on send immediately.
The prog has been installed for some time, maybe windows has lost
something so I'll bakup the data files and reinstall.
Windows shouldn't have any control over whether Eudora chooses to send
messages or not. Various things outside of Eudora could make Eudora
fail when trying to send them, but I can't think of anything that would
make it selectively not try. The fact that they're sent when "send
immediately" is turned on indicates that Eudora is capable of sending
them, which should rule out the possibity that Eudora is trying to send
them and failing.
This could be a problem with the outbox being corrupted or it might
possibly be a problem with something in eudora.ini. If you have a large
number of sent messages stored in your outbox, that can cause problems
with the outbox. How big is your outbox? If it is over 1 MB in size, try
emptying it and see if that solves your problem. If it doesn't, after
emptying it, close Eudora and delete out.mbx and out.toc. Eudora will
create a new outbox for you when you start it again and if the problem was
with the mailbox being corrupted, that should fix it regardless of how it
happened.
If that doesn't work, you might want to try using a new copy of
eudora.ini.
I suspect the problem is part and parcel of the old problem of Eudora
not always knowing it has an Internet connection available. I'm on
Road Runner cable - which is always on.
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