Discussion:
thunderbird and Norton AntiVirus
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christopher townsend
2004-04-05 07:01:00 UTC
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I have just started to look at Thunderbird and I like what I see.
I have Nortion AntiVirus 2001 but plan to switch to NAV2004 next month
when my sub expires. Norton do not support 2001 (although they took my
money)

My problem is that until I find a way to switch NAV to Thunderbird I
have no virus protection. I m clearly not the first to want to do
this, so can anyone help?

I have XP .
Howard Kaikow
2004-04-05 09:06:20 UTC
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What is Thunderbird?
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Post by christopher townsend
I have just started to look at Thunderbird and I like what I see.
I have Nortion AntiVirus 2001 but plan to switch to NAV2004 next month
when my sub expires. Norton do not support 2001 (although they took my
money)
My problem is that until I find a way to switch NAV to Thunderbird I
have no virus protection. I m clearly not the first to want to do
this, so can anyone help?
I have XP .
SpLoDgE
2004-04-05 09:15:40 UTC
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Web browser

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 05:06:20 -0400, "Howard Kaikow"
Post by Howard Kaikow
What is Thunderbird?
C High
2004-04-05 17:30:20 UTC
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Post by SpLoDgE
Web browser
On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 05:06:20 -0400, "Howard Kaikow"
Post by Howard Kaikow
What is Thunderbird?
No, it's the stand alone email client from Mozilla
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird

The browswer you're thinking of is Firefox
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox

cheers,
clair
Han
2004-04-05 11:08:04 UTC
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Post by christopher townsend
I have just started to look at Thunderbird and I like what I see.
I have Nortion AntiVirus 2001 but plan to switch to NAV2004 next month
when my sub expires. Norton do not support 2001 (although they took my
money)
My problem is that until I find a way to switch NAV to Thunderbird I
have no virus protection. I m clearly not the first to want to do
this, so can anyone help?
I have XP .
If you have the AV set to check on writing you have most of what you need.
I have my NAV 2002 set to NOT check email on my Eudora and MailwasherPro
email software, and am running XP Home.

I can't remember the last time NAV warned of a virus except maybe when I
downloaded an email that I strongly suspected had a virus attached - no
harm done.
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Best regards
Han
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Howard Kaikow
2004-04-05 16:23:37 UTC
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In this age of SPAM with/without virus, it is important to enable NAV's
email protection.

I too have difficulty recalling the last time NAV warned about a virus BUT,
and I do have a big BUTT, enabling NAV's email protection is very important
to automatically catch viri such as SoBig, etc.

I now have NAV set to Repair and silently delete email that allegedly have
viri. NAV does do this and leaves a trail of dummy attachments to reflect
this.
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http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
Post by Han
Post by christopher townsend
I have just started to look at Thunderbird and I like what I see.
I have Nortion AntiVirus 2001 but plan to switch to NAV2004 next month
when my sub expires. Norton do not support 2001 (although they took my
money)
My problem is that until I find a way to switch NAV to Thunderbird I
have no virus protection. I m clearly not the first to want to do
this, so can anyone help?
I have XP .
If you have the AV set to check on writing you have most of what you need.
I have my NAV 2002 set to NOT check email on my Eudora and MailwasherPro
email software, and am running XP Home.
I can't remember the last time NAV warned of a virus except maybe when I
downloaded an email that I strongly suspected had a virus attached - no
harm done.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
sf
2004-04-06 05:18:49 UTC
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Post by Han
Post by christopher townsend
I have just started to look at Thunderbird and I like what I see.
I have Nortion AntiVirus 2001 but plan to switch to NAV2004 next month
when my sub expires. Norton do not support 2001 (although they took my
money)
My problem is that until I find a way to switch NAV to Thunderbird I
have no virus protection. I m clearly not the first to want to do
this, so can anyone help?
What's the point of paying for NAV if you think Thunderbird
replaces it?
Post by Han
Post by christopher townsend
I have XP .
If you have the AV set to check on writing you have most of what you need.
I have my NAV 2002 set to NOT check email on my Eudora and MailwasherPro
email software, and am running XP Home.
Why pay for virus protection if you don't use it?
Post by Han
I can't remember the last time NAV warned of a virus except maybe when I
downloaded an email that I strongly suspected had a virus attached - no
harm done.
See above.

What is Thunderbird?
See: http://www.betanews.com/article.php3?sid=1049420335

Personally, I'm looking forward to a leaner Mozilla because
I don't use anything except the browser anyway.


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Han
2004-04-06 11:50:18 UTC
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Post by sf
Post by Han
Post by christopher townsend
I have just started to look at Thunderbird and I like what I see.
I have Nortion AntiVirus 2001 but plan to switch to NAV2004 next
month when my sub expires. Norton do not support 2001 (although
they took my money)
My problem is that until I find a way to switch NAV to
Thunderbird I have no virus protection. I m clearly not the first
to want to do this, so can anyone help?
What's the point of paying for NAV if you think Thunderbird
replaces it?
Post by Han
Post by christopher townsend
I have XP .
If you have the AV set to check on writing you have most of what you
need. I have my NAV 2002 set to NOT check email on my Eudora and
MailwasherPro email software, and am running XP Home.
Why pay for virus protection if you don't use it?
Post by Han
I can't remember the last time NAV warned of a virus except maybe
when I downloaded an email that I strongly suspected had a virus
attached - no harm done.
See above.
What is Thunderbird?
See: http://www.betanews.com/article.php3?sid=1049420335
Personally, I'm looking forward to a leaner Mozilla because
I don't use anything except the browser anyway.
Practice safe eating - always use condiments
I'm confused by your replies. I use NAV 2002 (and paid for it, many
times) to use it. It functions fine, but I do not like it to check
emails before they are written to disk because of the delays involved in
doing so. Eudora writes all emails received to disk as *.rcv files (and
then they are checked for virus) *before* decoding them into their
consituent portions, when they get written to *.mbx and whatever other
components. Therefore, checking for virus when received does not make
much sense.

I use Firefox as browser (mainly).
I do not use Thunderbird, but know it is the email component of the work
in progress that Mozilla is.
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Best regards
Han
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Ogden Johnson III
2004-04-05 17:49:41 UTC
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Post by christopher townsend
I have just started to look at Thunderbird and I like what I see.
I have Nortion AntiVirus 2001 but plan to switch to NAV2004 next month
when my sub expires. Norton do not support 2001 (although they took my
money)
Norton may not support NAV2001 with future upgrades/bug fixes or
with telephone support, but if your NAV is doing the job you
want, with the features you want, then why switch? Your
subscription is just for the virus definition updates, and those
work with all past versions of NAV. Unless NAV2004 has included
enhancements that you feel important, there is no real reason for
dumping 2001. Heck, my old boss, now retired, chugs away happily
with the [IIRC] 1999, mebbe 1998, version of NAV.
--
OJ III
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Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast]
Howard Kaikow
2004-04-05 21:23:03 UTC
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There are important features in the newer versions of NAV.

1 Script blocking.
2. Better, hopefully, email checking.
3. Hopefully, better heuristics in Bloodhound.
4. There are bugs in earlier versions that are corrected in later versions.

At some point earlier versions cannot use more recent VDs.
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http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
Post by Ogden Johnson III
Post by christopher townsend
I have just started to look at Thunderbird and I like what I see.
I have Nortion AntiVirus 2001 but plan to switch to NAV2004 next month
when my sub expires. Norton do not support 2001 (although they took my
money)
Norton may not support NAV2001 with future upgrades/bug fixes or
with telephone support, but if your NAV is doing the job you
want, with the features you want, then why switch? Your
subscription is just for the virus definition updates, and those
work with all past versions of NAV. Unless NAV2004 has included
enhancements that you feel important, there is no real reason for
dumping 2001. Heck, my old boss, now retired, chugs away happily
with the [IIRC] 1999, mebbe 1998, version of NAV.
--
OJ III
[Email sent to Yahoo addy is burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast]
Ogden Johnson III
2004-04-05 23:17:56 UTC
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Post by Howard Kaikow
There are important features in the newer versions of NAV.
1 Script blocking.
2. Better, hopefully, email checking.
3. Hopefully, better heuristics in Bloodhound.
4. There are bugs in earlier versions that are corrected in later versions.
I never said their weren't new features. I would dispute your
blanket statement that they are "important", as only the end user
determines what in a program is important and what isn't. What I
said was: "Unless NAV2004 has included enhancements *that you
feel important*, there is no real reason for dumping 2001."
[Emphasis added.] In my case, scripts aren't a concern, don't
use Bloodhound, haven't run across any of those bugs, and never
had a problem with email checking [what would you define as
"better"? NAV checks my email silently and quickly as it comes
in. Is there something I'm missing here? Is there a switch in
NAV 2004 that will prevent anyone from ever /sending/ me a virus?
Now *that* would be a /better/. ;->]
Post by Howard Kaikow
At some point earlier versions cannot use more recent VDs.
The ins and outs of older versions - at least older than 2001,
were out of the scope of the OP's question.

While Live Update in its current version will not run on Win95
[duh, 16-bit], patches have been offered to update Live Update
for the 32-bit Win versions. Other patches were/are offered for
pre-2001 NAV versions to allow compatibility with VDs to be
maintained. As long as you're not running under Win95.

Yes, I can't get telephone or online support for NAV 2002 any
more. But I never needed it before, so I don't expect to in the
future.
--
OJ III
[Email sent to Yahoo addy is burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast]
sf
2004-04-06 05:21:24 UTC
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On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:23:03 -0400, "Howard Kaikow"
Post by Howard Kaikow
There are important features in the newer versions of NAV.
3. Hopefully, better heuristics in Bloodhound.
What does "heuristics" mean?


Practice safe eating - always use condiments
Han
2004-04-06 11:50:49 UTC
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Post by sf
What does "heuristics" mean?
check your AV software for help.
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Best regards
Han
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sf
2004-04-07 04:29:04 UTC
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Post by Han
Post by sf
What does "heuristics" mean?
check your AV software for help.
If it said I wouldn't have asked.


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Han
2004-04-07 11:32:25 UTC
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Post by sf
Post by Han
Post by sf
What does "heuristics" mean?
check your AV software for help.
If it said I wouldn't have asked.
DAGS. When I put heuristics and antivirus into Google, this was the
first hit:
<http://antivirus.about.com/library/glossary/bldef-heur.htm>

Use acronymfinder to find out what DAGS means.
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Best regards
Han
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sf
2004-04-08 06:51:44 UTC
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Post by Han
Post by sf
Post by Han
Post by sf
What does "heuristics" mean?
check your AV software for help.
If it said I wouldn't have asked.
DAGS. When I put heuristics and antivirus into Google, this was the
<http://antivirus.about.com/library/glossary/bldef-heur.htm>
I read it and it told me nothing. What does "Some claim to
allow emulation of the file's activities in a virtual
sandbox" mean?
Post by Han
Use acronymfinder to find out what DAGS means.
Frankly, I don't give a damn.



Practice safe eating - always use condiments
Rick
2004-04-09 19:28:21 UTC
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Post by sf
I read it and it told me nothing. What does "Some claim to
allow emulation of the file's activities in a virtual
sandbox" mean?
Post by Han
Use acronymfinder to find out what DAGS means.
Frankly, I don't give a damn.
Do you really think that anyone is gonna help you when *you* keep
insulting those that try?

Rick
Han
2004-04-09 20:53:39 UTC
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Post by Rick
Do you really think that anyone is gonna help you when *you* keep
insulting those that try?
Rick
sf has been plonked.
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Best regards
Han
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sf
2004-04-11 06:12:42 UTC
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Post by Han
Post by Rick
Do you really think that anyone is gonna help you when *you* keep
insulting those that try?
Rick
sf has been plonked.
Good. You won't be missed by me.


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nobody
2004-04-06 01:03:13 UTC
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Ogden Johnson III wrote:

[...]
Post by Ogden Johnson III
Norton may not support NAV2001 with future upgrades/bug fixes or
with telephone support,
fyi -- they still do, for my copy anyway.
christopher townsend
2004-04-06 13:16:18 UTC
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Can anyone answer my question?

"My problem is that until I find a way to switch NAV to check Thunderbird I
have no virus protection."

At present it only acknowledges my IE6 account.
nobody
2004-04-06 13:33:08 UTC
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Post by christopher townsend
Can anyone answer my question?
"My problem is that until I find a way to switch NAV to check Thunderbird I
have no virus protection."
At present it only acknowledges my IE6 account.
you may have better luck with this at the developer's site:

http://www.mozilla.org
List Luker
2004-04-06 17:04:29 UTC
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In article <***@posting.google.com>, ***@gmx.de
says...
Post by christopher townsend
Can anyone answer my question?
"My problem is that until I find a way to switch NAV to check Thunderbird I
have no virus protection."
At present it only acknowledges my IE6 account.
I think I see what you're asking.

I too still have NAV 2001, on my Win 2K Server (b/c newer versions of
NAV don't do servers) and it attempts to "detect e-mail accounts"
befofre you can turn on e-mail protection ... and it might not recognize
Thunderbird, it being so new & all.

The newer versions of NAV (I have 2003 & 2004 -- my copy of 2002 was
upgraded to 2003, so I can't speak for that version) don't appear to
require a "detection" of an e-mail account per se.

I suspect they simply monitor any POP3 and/or SMTP activity, and thus
Thunderbird should work w/ NAV.

In particular, at home (the NAV 2004 box), I have my wife & son running
the full Mozilla suite for their e-mail access (which is basically
Firefox + Thunderbird) and NAV works perfectly on that.

Hope this helps,

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