Anyone here moved from Eudora to Pandora, on TalkTalk ISP (UK)?

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

My friend is trying, and has got Pandora to receive, but can't get it to
send - we've tried quite a lot of combinations of settings, but can't
seem to find the right one!

(Her Eudora both sends and receives fine, and she's got Pandora to
receive: just not send. Its log window says either invalid command,
unrecognised authentication type, or invalid login credentials - but
she's using the same username and password as in the working Eudora-send
and the working Pandora-receive.)

[Thibaud Taudin Chabot]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
My friend is trying, and has got Pandora to receive, but can't get it to
send - we've tried quite a lot of combinations of settings, but can't
seem to find the right one!
(Her Eudora both sends and receives fine, and she's got Pandora to
receive: just not send. Its log window says either invalid command,
unrecognised authentication type, or invalid login credentials - but
she's using the same username and password as in the working Eudora-send
and the working Pandora-receive.)

ask pandora. they have a fast response for problems like these. Mention
exactly what is in the log.
Thibaud

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 at 10:38:19, Thibaud Taudin Chabot

Post by Thibaud Taudin Chabot

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
My friend is trying, and has got Pandora to receive, but can't get it
to send - we've tried quite a lot of combinations of settings, but
can't seem to find the right one!
(Her Eudora both sends and receives fine, and she's got Pandora to
receive: just not send. Its log window says either invalid command,
unrecognised authentication type, or invalid login credentials - but
she's using the same username and password as in the working
Eudora-send and the working Pandora-receive.)

ask pandora. they have a fast response for problems like these. Mention
exactly what is in the log.
Thibaud

Thanks. I did in fact email Brana, and he replied, the same day, on a
Sunday! His suggestion didn't make it work, but I have put my friend in
direct contact with him.

[Dennis Lee Bieber]

On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 15:07:37 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(Her Eudora both sends and receives fine, and she's got Pandora to
receive: just not send. Its log window says either invalid command,
unrecognised authentication type, or invalid login credentials - but
she's using the same username and password as in the working Eudora-send
and the working Pandora-receive.)

Have you checked the properties for the personality in Pandora?

Under "Sending Mail" there is an Authentication drop down with three
choices -- next to the TLS/SSL options. This is a DIFFERENT Authentication
from that shown under "Checking Mail".

And I'd like to just mention that some servers claimed to accept
CRAM-MD5 but then rejected it -- I had to have Eudora's INI files manually
edited to ban that method as it would automatically go to the most complex,
and not try simpler ones. Pandora seems to have just three methods listed
currently.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 at 12:33:13, Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 15:07:37 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(Her Eudora both sends and receives fine, and she's got Pandora to
receive: just not send. Its log window says either invalid command,
unrecognised authentication type, or invalid login credentials - but
she's using the same username and password as in the working Eudora-send
and the working Pandora-receive.)

Have you checked the properties for the personality in Pandora?

Yes - see Loading Image... .

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
Under "Sending Mail" there is an Authentication drop down with three
choices -- next to the TLS/SSL options. This is a DIFFERENT Authentication
from that shown under "Checking Mail".

She had it set to "If Available" - which is what she had it set to in
Eudora, which is sending fine.

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
And I'd like to just mention that some servers claimed to accept
CRAM-MD5 but then rejected it -- I had to have Eudora's INI files manually
edited to ban that method as it would automatically go to the most complex,
and not try simpler ones. Pandora seems to have just three methods listed
currently.

Pandora has Basic, MD5, and OAuth2. I'm pretty sure we tried all
combinations.
https://community.talktalk.co.uk/t5/Articles/Email-settings-IMAP-amp-POP3/ta-p/2204399
says don't use MD5, but I think we tried it anyway.

[Dennis Lee Bieber]

On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 19:08:19 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 at 12:33:13, Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
Have you checked the properties for the personality in Pandora?

Yes - see http://255soft.uk/temp/Clipboard01.jpg .

Depending upon one's server "User Name" might need to include an @....
suffix (as mine do -- the "user name" is the full login to the server,
independent of the email address used with said server, and for me "user
name" and "E-Mail Address" are identical)

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
https://community.talktalk.co.uk/t5/Articles/Email-settings-IMAP-amp-POP3/ta-p/2204399
says don't use MD5, but I think we tried it anyway.

Note that this page specifies username as ***@talktalk.net -- your
image doesn't seem to have enough text in the user name field to qualify.

Unfortunately, Pandora doesn't have the equivalent of Eudora's esoteric
logging, so one can not capture full traffic... And I'm not going to
suggest one install/configure WireShark just to capture all bytes involving
SMTP mail...


Uhm...

Your image does show a "lineone.net" email address. The expansion on
the settings website indicates that the login/username should be
***@lineone.net

with the server being
smtp.tiscali.co.uk

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 at 14:51:59, Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 19:08:19 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 at 12:33:13, Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
Have you checked the properties for the personality in Pandora?

Yes - see http://255soft.uk/temp/Clipboard01.jpg .

suffix (as mine do -- the "user name" is the full login to the server,
independent of the email address used with said server, and for me "user
name" and "E-Mail Address" are identical)

I think I tried that when doing my TeamViewer session, though possibly
not with all combinations.

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
https://community.talktalk.co.uk/t5/Articles/Email-settings-IMAP-amp-PO
P3/ta-p/2204399
says don't use MD5, but I think we tried it anyway.

image doesn't seem to have enough text in the user name field to qualify.
Unfortunately, Pandora doesn't have the equivalent of Eudora's esoteric
logging, so one can not capture full traffic... And I'm not going to
suggest one install/configure WireShark just to capture all bytes involving
SMTP mail...

Trying to do that over TeamViewer - given that I've never actually used
wireshark - would be quite a challenge!

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
Uhm...
Your image does show a "lineone.net" email address. The expansion on
the settings website indicates that the login/username should be
with the server being
smtp.tiscali.co.uk

Yes, I noticed that. She's using the TalkTalk SMTP server in Eudora,
though, and that's working. I think it's something to do with, she was
originally with lineone, and stayed with it (i. e. using the email
servers for free - for several years!) while moving to another ISP,
before switching to TalkTalk - rather than being with TalkTalk at the
point where they took over lineone. However, I've passed your post on to
her (she doesn't do newsgroups).