Annoying behavior by Eudora, parameters in Microsoft Viewer

[pyotr filipivich]

Greetings and salutations

Last Sunday the email I get "suddenly" displays only the left inch
or so.

The
Leba
[part of photogtraph]

I checked the options, --> viewing mail
Message window.
X Use Microsoft's Viewer
X Use separate settings from Internet explorer

Message window width [ 99 ]
Message window [40]


If I uncheck "Use Microsoft's Viewer" and start over, I can see the
whole paragraphs, but I can read the headlines from across the room.
"Better" for some value.
I'm using Windows 7 Pro, so naturally I'm assuming that I may be
out of luck: Microsoft has improved my computing experience once again
making it not work.

[DaveH2]

Post by pyotr filipivich
Greetings and salutations
Last Sunday the email I get "suddenly" displays only the left inch
or so.
The
Leba
[part of photogtraph]
I checked the options, --> viewing mail
Message window.
X Use Microsoft's Viewer
X Use separate settings from Internet explorer
Message window width [ 99 ]
Message window [40]
If I uncheck "Use Microsoft's Viewer" and start over, I can see the
whole paragraphs, but I can read the headlines from across the room.
"Better" for some value.
I'm using Windows 7 Pro, so naturally I'm assuming that I may be
out of luck: Microsoft has improved my computing experience once again
making it not work.
--
pyotr filipivich
TV NEWS: Yesterday's newspaper read to the illiterate.

What happens if you right click on the message and select "send to browser"?
Hopefully it will display correctly in your default browser.
If that browser is not Internet Explorer, select the address in the address bar, and copy it to the clipboard. Then open Internet Explorer and paste the address into its address bar and press enter. Does it still look OK there? If not, there is presumably something wrong with the settings of Internet explorer. Especially check the zoom setting is at 100%. HTH. Cheers, Dave.

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by DaveH2

Post by pyotr filipivich
Greetings and salutations
Last Sunday the email I get "suddenly" displays only the left inch
or so.
The
Leba
[part of photogtraph]
I checked the options, --> viewing mail
Message window.
X Use Microsoft's Viewer
X Use separate settings from Internet explorer
Message window width [ 99 ]
Message window [40]
If I uncheck "Use Microsoft's Viewer" and start over, I can see the
whole paragraphs, but I can read the headlines from across the room.
"Better" for some value.
I'm using Windows 7 Pro, so naturally I'm assuming that I may be
out of luck: Microsoft has improved my computing experience once again
making it not work.
--
pyotr filipivich
TV NEWS: Yesterday's newspaper read to the illiterate.

What happens if you right click on the message and select "send to browser"?
Hopefully it will display correctly in your default browser.
If that browser is not Internet Explorer, select the address in the address bar, and copy it to the clipboard. Then open Internet Explorer and paste the address into its address bar and press enter. Does it still look OK there? If not, there is presumably something wrong with the settings of Internet explorer. Especially check the zoom setting is at 100%. HTH. Cheers, Dave.

I'll try that, but I'd rather be able to preview what is in the
newsletter without opening everything in the browser.

Do I even have Internet exploder? Probably. Its a feature not a
bug.

[Dennis Lee Bieber]

Post by pyotr filipivich
Do I even have Internet exploder? Probably. Its a feature not a
bug.

If you have Windows File Explorer, you have Internet Explorer... (or
used to -- Win10 seems to have changed behavior; used to be you could type
a URL into the File Explorer path window and it would open the web page in
the file explorer).

For many years it was recommended that one NOT use the "M$ Viewer"
because the rendering engine WAS the same one used by IE -- and IE was
known for readily downloading malware in HTML files. ESPECIALLY if the
preview window is used (I don't do "preview" -- if I don't like the subject
line, it doesn't get opened at all, so anything embedded in the mail
doesn't get a chance to "phone home").

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by DaveH2

Post by pyotr filipivich
Greetings and salutations
Last Sunday the email I get "suddenly" displays only the left inch
or so.
The
Leba
[part of photogtraph]
I checked the options, --> viewing mail
Message window.
X Use Microsoft's Viewer
X Use separate settings from Internet explorer
Message window width [ 99 ]
Message window [40]
If I uncheck "Use Microsoft's Viewer" and start over, I can see the
whole paragraphs, but I can read the headlines from across the room.
"Better" for some value.
I'm using Windows 7 Pro, so naturally I'm assuming that I may be
out of luck: Microsoft has improved my computing experience once again
making it not work.
--
pyotr filipivich
TV NEWS: Yesterday's newspaper read to the illiterate.

What happens if you right click on the message and select "send to browser"?
Hopefully it will display correctly in your default browser.
If that browser is not Internet Explorer, select the address in the address bar, and copy it to the clipboard. Then open Internet Explorer and paste the address into its address bar and press enter. Does it still look OK there? If not, there is presumably something wrong with the settings of Internet explorer. Especially check the zoom setting is at 100%. HTH. Cheers, Dave.

I can send it to the browsers. Changing Internet exploder doesn't
seem to help.

A plague on both their houses.

[DaveH2]

I can send it to the browsers. Changing Internet exploder doesn't
seem to help.
A plague on both their houses.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

So is the message displaying wrongly in Internet Explorer?
If so, that's why it's displaying wrongly in Eudora, because Eudora uses the Internet Explorer rendering engine for the "Microsoft Viewer".

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by DaveH2

I can send it to the browsers. Changing Internet exploder doesn't
seem to help.
A plague on both their houses.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

So is the message displaying wrongly in Internet Explorer?
If so, that's why it's displaying wrongly in Eudora, because Eudora uses the Internet Explorer rendering engine for the "Microsoft Viewer".

It displays properly in the default browser. And in Exploder. Why
it doesn't display in Eudora is beyond me. And I lack the time to
attempt to sort through all the options, settings, and kruft in the
directory. As I've migrated from Windows 3 I have copied directories
and then reinstalled.
Perhaps if I were to do a "clean install" it might help. Maybe.
It is the importing the file / mailbox structure which bothers me.

[DaveH2]

It displays properly in the default browser. And in Exploder. Why
it doesn't display in Eudora is beyond me. And I lack the time to
attempt to sort through all the options, settings, and kruft in the
directory. As I've migrated from Windows 3 I have copied directories
and then reinstalled.
Perhaps if I were to do a "clean install" it might help. Maybe.
It is the importing the file / mailbox structure which bothers me.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

Well if messages display OK in Internet Explorer, theoretically they should display OK in Eudora!
Are you now seeing all messages incorrectly displayed in Eudora, including old ones which used to display correctly, or is it just recent ones?

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by DaveH2

It displays properly in the default browser. And in Exploder. Why
it doesn't display in Eudora is beyond me. And I lack the time to
attempt to sort through all the options, settings, and kruft in the
directory. As I've migrated from Windows 3 I have copied directories
and then reinstalled.
Perhaps if I were to do a "clean install" it might help. Maybe.
It is the importing the file / mailbox structure which bothers me.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

Well if messages display OK in Internet Explorer, theoretically they should display OK in Eudora!
Are you now seeing all messages incorrectly displayed in Eudora, including old ones which used to display correctly, or is it just recent ones?

Just the recent ones. Which makes me assume that something that
the newsletter did broke things.

[DaveH2]

Just the recent ones. Which makes me assume that something that
the newsletter did broke things.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

If it's only recent messages that have the problem, as you say it's because something has changed at the source, not in Eudora or Internet Explorer.
Are messages from all sources displaying wrongly, or just one?

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by DaveH2

Just the recent ones. Which makes me assume that something that
the newsletter did broke things.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

If it's only recent messages that have the problem, as you say it's because something has changed at the source, not in Eudora or Internet Explorer.
Are messages from all sources displaying wrongly, or just one?

Just the one. I turned off use Windows Viewer, and now I can see
the whole message - from across the room!
If I edit the message, and click on the photographs, I get the
left 1/3 of the picture "flipped" (reverse colors, as is normal to
show "photo selected". When I click "delete" the whole thing goes
away.

I dunno, "all part of the ascetic struggle."

[DaveH2]

Just the one. I turned off use Windows Viewer, and now I can see
the whole message - from across the room!
If I edit the message, and click on the photographs, I get the
left 1/3 of the picture "flipped" (reverse colors, as is normal to
show "photo selected". When I click "delete" the whole thing goes
away.
I dunno, "all part of the ascetic struggle."
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

Well if it's only messages from one source which have the problem it doesn't sound like it's an intrinsic problem with Eudora.
The sender has presumably changed the format of their messages to one which Eudora can't display properly.
Sadly this will inevitably become more common as Eudora hasn't been updated for so long.
The workaround is to just right click on the messages and view them in your default browser.
As a matter of interest, what happens if you reply to one of these messages?
Is the reply mis-formatted too?
Cheers, Dave.

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by DaveH2

Just the one. I turned off use Windows Viewer, and now I can see
the whole message - from across the room!
If I edit the message, and click on the photographs, I get the
left 1/3 of the picture "flipped" (reverse colors, as is normal to
show "photo selected". When I click "delete" the whole thing goes
away.
I dunno, "all part of the ascetic struggle."
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

Well if it's only messages from one source which have the problem it doesn't sound like it's an intrinsic problem with Eudora.
The sender has presumably changed the format of their messages to one which Eudora can't display properly.
Sadly this will inevitably become more common as Eudora hasn't been updated for so long.
The workaround is to just right click on the messages and view them in your default browser.
As a matter of interest, what happens if you reply to one of these messages?

No idea.

Hmmm :dot's vierd? Some of them are as they were, some have the
new (edited format). Now I'm going to have to wait for the next one.
(And at this moment I'm taking a break from that which I need to
get back too. I'll play more with it after supper.

Post by DaveH2
Is the reply mis-formatted too?
Cheers, Dave.

[DaveH2]

Post by pyotr filipivich
No idea.
Hmmm :dot's vierd? Some of them are as they were, some have the
new (edited format). Now I'm going to have to wait for the next one.
(And at this moment I'm taking a break from that which I need to
get back too. I'll play more with it after supper.

Post by DaveH2
Is the reply mis-formatted too?
Cheers, Dave.

--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

You don't have to actually reply to the message of course, just press the reply button on a message that's not displaying properly and see if the quoted version also looks wrong.
Then just close it.

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by DaveH2

Post by pyotr filipivich
No idea.
Hmmm :dot's vierd? Some of them are as they were, some have the
new (edited format). Now I'm going to have to wait for the next one.
(And at this moment I'm taking a break from that which I need to
get back too. I'll play more with it after supper.

Post by DaveH2
Is the reply mis-formatted too?
Cheers, Dave.

--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

You don't have to actually reply to the message of course, just press the reply button on a message that's not displaying properly and see if the quoted version also looks wrong.
Then just close it.

I had edited a couple of the emails, deleting the photograph.

When I got today's email, I tried the "send in browser" - Works
well enough.

I'm going to leave this as is, was, however. Time to go make a
mess in the side yard before it get really hot.

[DaveH2]

Post by pyotr filipivich
I had edited a couple of the emails, deleting the photograph.
When I got today's email, I tried the "send in browser" - Works
well enough.
I'm going to leave this as is, was, however. Time to go make a
mess in the side yard before it get really hot.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

Ah, now you mention a photograph, that's probably the problem!
The "Microsoft Viewer" in Eudora I have found gets messed up if images that don't resize correctly are put into messages.
I had a series of messages with a very similar problem, the header image appeared much too wide and was not shrunk to fit the width of the window as it should have been. Looks like your problem is the same, although the end result is different.
Sadly there's probably not much we can do about this, it's just one of the downsides of using a very old e-mail client that sometimes now doesn't cope with modern message formats very well!
Viewing it in the browser is probably the only option I'm afraid.
Cheers, Dave.

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by DaveH2

Post by pyotr filipivich
I had edited a couple of the emails, deleting the photograph.
When I got today's email, I tried the "send in browser" - Works
well enough.
I'm going to leave this as is, was, however. Time to go make a
mess in the side yard before it get really hot.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

Ah, now you mention a photograph, that's probably the problem!
The "Microsoft Viewer" in Eudora I have found gets messed up if images that don't resize correctly are put into messages.
I had a series of messages with a very similar problem, the header image appeared much too wide and was not shrunk to fit the width of the window as it should have been. Looks like your problem is the same, although the end result is different.
Sadly there's probably not much we can do about this, it's just one of the downsides of using a very old e-mail client that sometimes now doesn't cope with modern message formats very well!

And yet two weeks ago it was fine.

Meh, I'll just do something I'm sure.

Thanks for the effort and the advice.

[DaveH2]

Post by pyotr filipivich
And yet two weeks ago it was fine.
Meh, I'll just do something I'm sure.
Thanks for the effort and the advice.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

No problem, glad to have been of help.
Two weeks ago your sender probably changed something in their messages which has caused the problem.
If you open a "good" message from them (if you keep them) in your browser and then open a "bad" one in the browser too in a different tab, I'm sure you will be able to see what the difference is. I bet it's an image which has been added or changed which no longer renders correctly in Eudora.
As I said, I've had this happen too with regular information messages I receive. If you're lucky the problem will only be temporary while they're using that problematic image.
Cheers, Dave.