Running Eudora from a non-admin account - how to start?

[pyotr filipivich]

I have set up a second user account on Win7Box. Niko is just a
Standard User, so doesn't have admin access to stuff.

I want "Niko" to be able to use Eudora separately from the Owner
account. As in check email, but not mess with the stuff which Owner
has. But Niko cannot run Eudora, gets the error message "cannot
access Eudora.log." Without that access Eudora can't run. Bummer.

So, how do I convince Eudora that Niko has his own email account,
separate from Owner? Do I need to make a separate installation of
Eudora, just for him? (This does not seem reasonable, but ...)

Or is Niko just out of luck and going to have to adapt to a new
Mail program?


tschus
pyotr

[Dennis Lee Bieber]

Post by pyotr filipivich
I have set up a second user account on Win7Box. Niko is just a
Standard User, so doesn't have admin access to stuff.

YOUR normal day-to-day account should also be a Standard User... The
admin account should ONLY be used for system maintenance (and since Win7,
if you ask for a system/admin operation from a user account, UAC will allow
you to provide the admin account password to run that action, without being
admin all the time)

Post by pyotr filipivich
I want "Niko" to be able to use Eudora separately from the Owner
account. As in check email, but not mess with the stuff which Owner
has. But Niko cannot run Eudora, gets the error message "cannot
access Eudora.log." Without that access Eudora can't run. Bummer.

I'm going to guess you configured Eudora in W9x era style... That is --
you have the mailboxes and other user data file located IN the program
installation directory.

Post by pyotr filipivich
So, how do I convince Eudora that Niko has his own email account,
separate from Owner? Do I need to make a separate installation of
Eudora, just for him? (This does not seem reasonable, but ...)

First -- make sure you are configured for the default Eudora
behavior... Meaning that user mailboxes and data are NOT in the
installation directory (or any other system level directory). The default
location for data files is:

%userprofile%\AppData\Roaming\Qualcomm\Eudora

{NOTE: AppData is normally a HIDDEN directory and does not show up in the
file explorer nor command line shell... But it IS there. %userprofile% is
the environment variable that normally expands into C:\Users\<loginname>
[for Win 7 and 10, had a different name in Win9x and WinXP]}

The shortcut used to start Eudora should have

TARGET: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe"
(Nothing else defining any startup preferences or directories -- note, I'm
running 64-bit Windows, hence the (x86) part of that path -- and that is
the default program installation directory)

START-IN: <empty>


Help/About will show what Eudora thinks is the data directory

Post by pyotr filipivich
Or is Niko just out of luck and going to have to adapt to a new
Mail program?

If the above constraints are followed, logging into the computer using
the new account name and starting Eudora will result in creating that
%userprofile%\AppData\Roaming\Qualcomm\Eudora
directory with empty preferences. One would then edit the settings for the
default personality (and any others the user needs to access).

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by pyotr filipivich
I want "Niko" to be able to use Eudora separately from the Owner
account. As in check email, but not mess with the stuff which Owner
has. But Niko cannot run Eudora, gets the error message "cannot
access Eudora.log." Without that access Eudora can't run. Bummer.

I'm going to guess you configured Eudora in W9x era style... That is --
you have the mailboxes and other user data file located IN the program
installation directory.

Default in the migration from XP (which may or may not have been
migrating from Win 9x).

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by pyotr filipivich
So, how do I convince Eudora that Niko has his own email account,
separate from Owner? Do I need to make a separate installation of
Eudora, just for him? (This does not seem reasonable, but ...)

First -- make sure you are configured for the default Eudora
behavior... Meaning that user mailboxes and data are NOT in the
installation directory (or any other system level directory). The default
%userprofile%\AppData\Roaming\Qualcomm\Eudora

First question: can I just move Eudora from where it is, to here?
Or do I need to reinstall it, and "migrate" my mailboxes, etc at that
time?

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
{NOTE: AppData is normally a HIDDEN directory and does not show up in the
file explorer nor command line shell... But it IS there. %userprofile% is
the environment variable that normally expands into C:\Users\<loginname>
[for Win 7 and 10, had a different name in Win9x and WinXP]}
The shortcut used to start Eudora should have
TARGET: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe"
(Nothing else defining any startup preferences or directories -- note, I'm
running 64-bit Windows, hence the (x86) part of that path -- and that is
the default program installation directory)

Currently, the shortcut is targeted with
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Eudora\Eudora.exe" "C:\Program Files
(x86)\Eudora"

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
START-IN: <empty>

Check.

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
Help/About will show what Eudora thinks is the data directory

Is it possible to change the data location without reinstalling?

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by pyotr filipivich
Or is Niko just out of luck and going to have to adapt to a new
Mail program?

If the above constraints are followed, logging into the computer using
the new account name and starting Eudora will result in creating that
%userprofile%\AppData\Roaming\Qualcomm\Eudora
directory with empty preferences. One would then edit the settings for the
default personality (and any others the user needs to access).

Once I get the first part figured out (having Windows 7 play nice
with Eudora), I'll be back to worry the next stage.

thanks for the effort.

pyotr

[Dennis Lee Bieber]

Post by pyotr filipivich
First question: can I just move Eudora from where it is, to here?
Or do I need to reinstall it, and "migrate" my mailboxes, etc at that
time?

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
{NOTE: AppData is normally a HIDDEN directory and does not show up in the
file explorer nor command line shell... But it IS there. %userprofile% is
the environment variable that normally expands into C:\Users\<loginname>
[for Win 7 and 10, had a different name in Win9x and WinXP]}
The shortcut used to start Eudora should have
TARGET: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe"
(Nothing else defining any startup preferences or directories -- note, I'm
running 64-bit Windows, hence the (x86) part of that path -- and that is
the default program installation directory)

Currently, the shortcut is targeted with
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Eudora\Eudora.exe" "C:\Program Files
(x86)\Eudora"

And there is the core of the problem... Your shortcut is explicitly
selecting the OS protected area as the data directory.

Post by pyotr filipivich
Is it possible to change the data location without reinstalling?

The program is okay -- but determining which are the data files that
need to be moved will be tricky.

First step: edit the shortcuts(s) to remove the destination directory,
just leave the executable.

Second step: start Eudora with that shortcut. It /should/ create a new
data directory specific to the logged in user (ie; the one in
%userprofile%). Obviously, that will be an empty configuration.

Third step: shut down Eudora and copy the user data from Program Files
to the %userprofile% location. This will be MBX/TOC, nicknames, other stuff
-- mine are (I removed the custom mailboxes, just the core shown):

C:\Users\Wulfraed>dir %userprofile%\appdata\roaming\qualcomm\eudora
Volume in drive C is OS
Volume Serial Number is 4ACC-3CB4

Directory of C:\Users\Wulfraed\appdata\roaming\qualcomm\eudora

01/31/2019 11:50 PM <DIR> .
01/31/2019 11:50 PM <DIR> ..
01/31/2019 11:40 PM <DIR> attach
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 83,453 Audit.log
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 306 descmap.pce
06/02/2013 01:41 PM 0 DoNotDel.tmp
01/31/2019 11:50 PM <DIR> Embedded
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 18,065 Eudora.ini
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 3,749,155 eudora.log
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 12,250 Eudora61Stats.xml
08/15/2018 10:32 PM 10,240,036 eudorlog.old
12/03/2016 05:31 PM <DIR> EudPriv
04/07/2018 12:01 PM 2,933 Exception.log
06/02/2013 01:32 PM <DIR> Filters
07/28/2018 07:22 AM 9,224 Filters.pce
01/28/2019 07:23 PM 3,071 History.lst
09/22/2018 09:28 AM <DIR> icons
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 101,348 In.mbx
01/31/2019 11:40 PM 513,658 In.mbx.001
01/30/2019 03:55 PM 823,090 In.mbx.002
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 1,412 In.toc
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 1,412 In.toc.001
01/30/2019 03:57 PM 1,412 In.toc.002
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 0 Junk.mbx
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 104 Junk.toc
06/02/2013 01:32 PM <DIR> LinkHistory
01/31/2019 11:40 PM 16 LinkHistory.dat
06/02/2013 01:32 PM 0 lmos.dat
10/10/2018 07:48 PM <DIR> Nickname
03/06/2018 01:29 PM 2,563 NNdbase.nnt
03/06/2018 01:29 PM 733 Nndbase.toc
01/30/2019 03:58 PM 0 Out.mbx
01/28/2019 07:22 PM 323 Out.mbx.001
11/18/2018 12:19 PM 0 Out.mbx.002
01/30/2019 03:58 PM 104 Out.toc
01/28/2019 07:23 PM 104 Out.toc.001
11/18/2018 12:19 PM 104 Out.toc.002
03/04/2018 09:50 AM <DIR> Plugins
03/06/2018 01:27 PM 175 RCPdbase.txt
01/31/2019 11:50 PM <DIR> Search
03/06/2018 01:58 PM <DIR> Sigs
01/31/2019 11:40 PM <DIR> spool
06/02/2013 01:32 PM <DIR> Stationery
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 0 Trash.mbx
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 104 Trash.toc
06/15/2013 06:31 PM 15 uchange.tlx
06/15/2013 06:31 PM 15 uignore.tlx
01/31/2019 11:40 PM 298 updateurl.htm
09/10/2016 04:23 PM 12,347 usercerts.p7b
06/15/2013 06:31 PM 15 usuggest.tlx
48 File(s) 15,602,045 bytes
16 Dir(s) 1,416,807,911,424 bytes free

C:\Users\Wulfraed>

Open the copied Eudora.ini and search for any lines referencing Program
Files and change to the new location. That would be lines like:

AutoReceiveAttachmentsDirectory=C:\Users\Wulfraed\AppData\Roaming\Qualcomm\Eudora\attach

Restart Eudora -- it should now find the copied data and configuration.
When you are sure it is working (and help/about shows data in a user
location), you can start deleting the data files from Program Files -- but
only delete things you have copied, just in case Eudora still wants
something...

This is all that I have in Program Files:

C:\Users\Wulfraed>dir "c:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora"
Volume in drive C is OS
Volume Serial Number is 4ACC-3CB4

Directory of c:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora

04/17/2017 10:06 AM <DIR> .
04/17/2017 10:06 AM <DIR> ..
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 339,835 american.clx
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 7,698 american.tlx
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 347,633 british.clx
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 7,698 british.tlx
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 986,112 dbghelp.dll
12/03/2016 07:00 PM 3,260 deudora.ini
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 30,208 DirServ.dll
12/03/2016 07:00 PM <DIR> Emoticons
12/03/2016 07:00 PM <DIR> Emoticons24
12/03/2016 07:00 PM <DIR> Emoticons32
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 16,384 esoteric.epi
09/26/2006 01:46 PM 14,133 Eudora.cnt
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 2,658,304 Eudora.exe
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 0 eudora.fts
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 0 eudora.gid
09/26/2006 01:46 PM 1,165,977 EUDORA.hlp
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 304 eudora.htm
09/26/2006 01:46 PM 18,552 eudora.tip
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 23,040 EudoraBk.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 2,338 EudoraCCProfiles.xml
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 61,512 EudoraNS.dll
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 2,465,792 EudoraRes.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 29,696 EudUnInst.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 49,213 EuGraph.ocx
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 7,680 EuLang.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 82,944 EUMAPI.DLL
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 147,537 EuMAPI32.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 64,512 EuMemMgr.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 86,016 EuShlExt.dll
12/03/2016 07:00 PM <DIR> extrastuff
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 1,640 finger.ini
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 233,901 FlameLex.dat
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 106,496 Imap.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 19,968 ISock.dll
09/26/2006 01:45 PM 143,360 Ldap.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 4,567 LDAPinit.ini
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 827,392 libeay32.dll
09/26/2006 01:45 PM 151,552 libexpat.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 15,358 License.txt
03/19/2003 12:20 AM 1,060,864 mfc71.dll
03/19/2003 12:12 AM 1,047,552 mfc71u.dll
03/18/2003 11:14 PM 499,712 msvcp71.dll
02/21/2003 07:42 AM 348,160 msvcr71.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 24,064 NSImport.eif
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 45,056 OEImport.eif
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 65,536 OLImport.eif
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 311,296 Paige32.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 57,344 Ph.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 2,546 ph.ini
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 65,536 plstclnt.dll
12/26/2016 10:56 AM <DIR> plugins
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 409,368 Qckstart.pdf
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 57,344 QCSocket.dll
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 507,904 QCSSL.dll
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 77,824 QCUtils.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 30,806 Readme.txt
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 55,376 RelNotes.txt
12/03/2016 07:00 PM <DIR> RootCerts
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 24,159 rootcerts.p7b
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 112,128 SPELL32.DLL
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 159,744 ssleay32.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 180,298 swEudora.exe
09/26/2006 01:45 PM 633,856 x1lib.dll
57 File(s) 15,897,085 bytes
8 Dir(s) 1,416,802,951,168 bytes free

C:\Users\Wulfraed>

NOTE: plugins appears to be one of those that appears in user data and
program files, so don't delete it.

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by pyotr filipivich
First question: can I just move Eudora from where it is, to here?
Or do I need to reinstall it, and "migrate" my mailboxes, etc at that
time?

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
{NOTE: AppData is normally a HIDDEN directory and does not show up in the
file explorer nor command line shell... But it IS there. %userprofile% is
the environment variable that normally expands into C:\Users\<loginname>
[for Win 7 and 10, had a different name in Win9x and WinXP]}
The shortcut used to start Eudora should have
TARGET: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe"
(Nothing else defining any startup preferences or directories -- note, I'm
running 64-bit Windows, hence the (x86) part of that path -- and that is
the default program installation directory)

Currently, the shortcut is targeted with
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Eudora\Eudora.exe" "C:\Program Files
(x86)\Eudora"

And there is the core of the problem... Your shortcut is explicitly
selecting the OS protected area as the data directory.

Post by pyotr filipivich
Is it possible to change the data location without reinstalling?

The program is okay -- but determining which are the data files that
need to be moved will be tricky.
First step: edit the shortcuts(s) to remove the destination directory,
just leave the executable.
Second step: start Eudora with that shortcut. It /should/ create a new
data directory specific to the logged in user (ie; the one in
%userprofile%). Obviously, that will be an empty configuration.
Third step: shut down Eudora and copy the user data from Program Files
to the %userprofile% location. This will be MBX/TOC, nicknames, other stuff
C:\Users\Wulfraed>dir %userprofile%\appdata\roaming\qualcomm\eudora
Volume in drive C is OS
Volume Serial Number is 4ACC-3CB4
Directory of C:\Users\Wulfraed\appdata\roaming\qualcomm\eudora
01/31/2019 11:50 PM <DIR> .
01/31/2019 11:50 PM <DIR> ..
01/31/2019 11:40 PM <DIR> attach
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 83,453 Audit.log
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 306 descmap.pce
06/02/2013 01:41 PM 0 DoNotDel.tmp
01/31/2019 11:50 PM <DIR> Embedded
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 18,065 Eudora.ini
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 3,749,155 eudora.log
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 12,250 Eudora61Stats.xml
08/15/2018 10:32 PM 10,240,036 eudorlog.old
12/03/2016 05:31 PM <DIR> EudPriv
04/07/2018 12:01 PM 2,933 Exception.log
06/02/2013 01:32 PM <DIR> Filters
07/28/2018 07:22 AM 9,224 Filters.pce
01/28/2019 07:23 PM 3,071 History.lst
09/22/2018 09:28 AM <DIR> icons
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 101,348 In.mbx
01/31/2019 11:40 PM 513,658 In.mbx.001
01/30/2019 03:55 PM 823,090 In.mbx.002
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 1,412 In.toc
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 1,412 In.toc.001
01/30/2019 03:57 PM 1,412 In.toc.002
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 0 Junk.mbx
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 104 Junk.toc
06/02/2013 01:32 PM <DIR> LinkHistory
01/31/2019 11:40 PM 16 LinkHistory.dat
06/02/2013 01:32 PM 0 lmos.dat
10/10/2018 07:48 PM <DIR> Nickname
03/06/2018 01:29 PM 2,563 NNdbase.nnt
03/06/2018 01:29 PM 733 Nndbase.toc
01/30/2019 03:58 PM 0 Out.mbx
01/28/2019 07:22 PM 323 Out.mbx.001
11/18/2018 12:19 PM 0 Out.mbx.002
01/30/2019 03:58 PM 104 Out.toc
01/28/2019 07:23 PM 104 Out.toc.001
11/18/2018 12:19 PM 104 Out.toc.002
03/04/2018 09:50 AM <DIR> Plugins
03/06/2018 01:27 PM 175 RCPdbase.txt
01/31/2019 11:50 PM <DIR> Search
03/06/2018 01:58 PM <DIR> Sigs
01/31/2019 11:40 PM <DIR> spool
06/02/2013 01:32 PM <DIR> Stationery
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 0 Trash.mbx
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 104 Trash.toc
06/15/2013 06:31 PM 15 uchange.tlx
06/15/2013 06:31 PM 15 uignore.tlx
01/31/2019 11:40 PM 298 updateurl.htm
09/10/2016 04:23 PM 12,347 usercerts.p7b
06/15/2013 06:31 PM 15 usuggest.tlx
48 File(s) 15,602,045 bytes
16 Dir(s) 1,416,807,911,424 bytes free
C:\Users\Wulfraed>
Open the copied Eudora.ini and search for any lines referencing Program
AutoReceiveAttachmentsDirectory=C:\Users\Wulfraed\AppData\Roaming\Qualcomm\Eudora\attach
Restart Eudora -- it should now find the copied data and configuration.
When you are sure it is working (and help/about shows data in a user
location), you can start deleting the data files from Program Files -- but
only delete things you have copied, just in case Eudora still wants
something...
C:\Users\Wulfraed>dir "c:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora"
Volume in drive C is OS
Volume Serial Number is 4ACC-3CB4
Directory of c:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora
04/17/2017 10:06 AM <DIR> .
04/17/2017 10:06 AM <DIR> ..
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 339,835 american.clx
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 7,698 american.tlx
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 347,633 british.clx
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 7,698 british.tlx
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 986,112 dbghelp.dll
12/03/2016 07:00 PM 3,260 deudora.ini
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 30,208 DirServ.dll
12/03/2016 07:00 PM <DIR> Emoticons
12/03/2016 07:00 PM <DIR> Emoticons24
12/03/2016 07:00 PM <DIR> Emoticons32
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 16,384 esoteric.epi
09/26/2006 01:46 PM 14,133 Eudora.cnt
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 2,658,304 Eudora.exe
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 0 eudora.fts
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 0 eudora.gid
09/26/2006 01:46 PM 1,165,977 EUDORA.hlp
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 304 eudora.htm
09/26/2006 01:46 PM 18,552 eudora.tip
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 23,040 EudoraBk.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 2,338 EudoraCCProfiles.xml
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 61,512 EudoraNS.dll
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 2,465,792 EudoraRes.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 29,696 EudUnInst.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 49,213 EuGraph.ocx
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 7,680 EuLang.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 82,944 EUMAPI.DLL
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 147,537 EuMAPI32.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 64,512 EuMemMgr.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 86,016 EuShlExt.dll
12/03/2016 07:00 PM <DIR> extrastuff
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 1,640 finger.ini
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 233,901 FlameLex.dat
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 106,496 Imap.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 19,968 ISock.dll
09/26/2006 01:45 PM 143,360 Ldap.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 4,567 LDAPinit.ini
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 827,392 libeay32.dll
09/26/2006 01:45 PM 151,552 libexpat.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 15,358 License.txt
03/19/2003 12:20 AM 1,060,864 mfc71.dll
03/19/2003 12:12 AM 1,047,552 mfc71u.dll
03/18/2003 11:14 PM 499,712 msvcp71.dll
02/21/2003 07:42 AM 348,160 msvcr71.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 24,064 NSImport.eif
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 45,056 OEImport.eif
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 65,536 OLImport.eif
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 311,296 Paige32.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 57,344 Ph.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 2,546 ph.ini
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 65,536 plstclnt.dll
12/26/2016 10:56 AM <DIR> plugins
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 409,368 Qckstart.pdf
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 57,344 QCSocket.dll
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 507,904 QCSSL.dll
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 77,824 QCUtils.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 30,806 Readme.txt
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 55,376 RelNotes.txt
12/03/2016 07:00 PM <DIR> RootCerts
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 24,159 rootcerts.p7b
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 112,128 SPELL32.DLL
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 159,744 ssleay32.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 180,298 swEudora.exe
09/26/2006 01:45 PM 633,856 x1lib.dll
57 File(s) 15,897,085 bytes
8 Dir(s) 1,416,802,951,168 bytes free
C:\Users\Wulfraed>
NOTE: plugins appears to be one of those that appears in user data and
program files, so don't delete it.

Yowza! Okay, looks like I will be taking a day to back up things
as they is, and then seeing what works. The list of what belongs -
there are so many things which got migrated because "it made sense at
the time."

[Ajo Wissink]

On Fri, 01 Feb 2019 15:24:09 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by pyotr filipivich
First question: can I just move Eudora from where it is, to here?
Or do I need to reinstall it, and "migrate" my mailboxes, etc at that
time?

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
{NOTE: AppData is normally a HIDDEN directory and does not show up in the
file explorer nor command line shell... But it IS there. %userprofile% is
the environment variable that normally expands into C:\Users\<loginname>
[for Win 7 and 10, had a different name in Win9x and WinXP]}
The shortcut used to start Eudora should have
TARGET: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe"
(Nothing else defining any startup preferences or directories -- note, I'm
running 64-bit Windows, hence the (x86) part of that path -- and that is
the default program installation directory)

Currently, the shortcut is targeted with
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Eudora\Eudora.exe" "C:\Program Files
(x86)\Eudora"

And there is the core of the problem... Your shortcut is explicitly
selecting the OS protected area as the data directory.

Post by pyotr filipivich
Is it possible to change the data location without reinstalling?

The program is okay -- but determining which are the data files that
need to be moved will be tricky.

Fixing your problem is quite easy. There are several solutions.

1- Make a backup of your Eudora folder in which you have mixed program
and data files.
Uninstall Eudora. That will remove ONLY the program files and doesn't
touch the data.
Move the clean data to
"C:\Users\Username\AppData\Roaming\Qualcomm\Eudora"
Install Eudora, making, sure that you tell the installer to put the
program in
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe" and the data in
"C:\Users\Username\AppData\Roaming\Qualcomm\Eudora"

2- If you prefer you can skip the uninstall and move the entire mix to
the AppData location. Eudora doesn't care about having extra program
files in there. Then install Eudora, using the correct locations for
the 2 folders.

3- If you don't care about having Eudora in an unprotected location
you can move your entire mix to any location that's not in Program
Files. Then install Eudora and choose the new location for both
program and data.

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by Ajo Wissink
On Fri, 01 Feb 2019 15:24:09 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by pyotr filipivich
First question: can I just move Eudora from where it is, to here?
Or do I need to reinstall it, and "migrate" my mailboxes, etc at that
time?

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
{NOTE: AppData is normally a HIDDEN directory and does not show up in the
file explorer nor command line shell... But it IS there. %userprofile% is
the environment variable that normally expands into C:\Users\<loginname>
[for Win 7 and 10, had a different name in Win9x and WinXP]}
The shortcut used to start Eudora should have
TARGET: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe"
(Nothing else defining any startup preferences or directories -- note, I'm
running 64-bit Windows, hence the (x86) part of that path -- and that is
the default program installation directory)

Currently, the shortcut is targeted with
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Eudora\Eudora.exe" "C:\Program Files
(x86)\Eudora"

And there is the core of the problem... Your shortcut is explicitly
selecting the OS protected area as the data directory.

Post by pyotr filipivich
Is it possible to change the data location without reinstalling?

The program is okay -- but determining which are the data files that
need to be moved will be tricky.

Fixing your problem is quite easy. There are several solutions.
1- Make a backup of your Eudora folder in which you have mixed program
and data files.
Uninstall Eudora. That will remove ONLY the program files and doesn't
touch the data.

Two issues: a) I'm assuming that this leaves a Eudora folder with
"just" the mailboxes, directories, etc.? and B) I suspect that there
is a lot of kruft left over from previous installs, upgrades and
migration.

Post by Ajo Wissink
Move the clean data to
"C:\Users\Username\AppData\Roaming\Qualcomm\Eudora"
Install Eudora, making, sure that you tell the installer to put the
program in
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe" and the data in
"C:\Users\Username\AppData\Roaming\Qualcomm\Eudora"

This, OTOH, "I haff vays I could do this."

Post by Ajo Wissink
2- If you prefer you can skip the uninstall and move the entire mix to
the AppData location. Eudora doesn't care about having extra program
files in there. Then install Eudora, using the correct locations for
the 2 folders.

A possibility, too.

Post by Ajo Wissink
3- If you don't care about having Eudora in an unprotected location
you can move your entire mix to any location that's not in Program
Files. Then install Eudora and choose the new location for both
program and data.

As we are all about to die due to the Snowpocolypse!!!, I should
have time to try this out.

[Piet]

Post by Ajo Wissink
3- If you don't care about having Eudora in an unprotected location
you can move your entire mix to any location that's not in Program
Files. Then install Eudora and choose the new location for both
program and data.

Actually *user* data do not belong on a *system* partition. That's been
the case for ages, except with MS.
You can install Eudora as usual on the system partition, where it belong.
You can put the user data anywhere you want and protect them as needed.
As a matter of fact Eudora perfectly facilitates this by the excellent
way you can paramatrize it on the command line, e.g.:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe" E:\Name\E-mail\Conf.ini
I've been using this for decades, under XP, Win7, Win8.1 and Win10.

-p

[Ajo Wissink]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 14:42:07 +0100, Piet

Post by Piet

Post by Ajo Wissink
3- If you don't care about having Eudora in an unprotected location
you can move your entire mix to any location that's not in Program
Files. Then install Eudora and choose the new location for both
program and data.

Actually *user* data do not belong on a *system* partition. That's been
the case for ages, except with MS.
You can install Eudora as usual on the system partition, where it belong.
You can put the user data anywhere you want and protect them as needed.
As a matter of fact Eudora perfectly facilitates this by the excellent
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe" E:\Name\E-mail\Conf.ini
I've been using this for decades, under XP, Win7, Win8.1 and Win10.

Windows doesn't care if you mix program and data files as long as the
data files are not in a location reserved for program files.

Using the protected default locations is advisable, but creating your
own location like C:\eudora is fine.

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by Piet

Post by Ajo Wissink
3- If you don't care about having Eudora in an unprotected location
you can move your entire mix to any location that's not in Program
Files. Then install Eudora and choose the new location for both
program and data.

Actually *user* data do not belong on a *system* partition. That's been
the case for ages, except with MS.
You can install Eudora as usual on the system partition, where it belong.
You can put the user data anywhere you want and protect them as needed.
As a matter of fact Eudora perfectly facilitates this by the excellent
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe" E:\Name\E-mail\Conf.ini
I've been using this for decades, under XP, Win7, Win8.1 and Win10.

I hadn't realized till now, but I had done something similar. I'd
removed the directory "Qualcomm" from the paths. E.G.,
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe"
becomes
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Eudora\Eudora.exe"
which is A) shorter, and B) "more sensible" I'm not looking for the
Qualcomm files, I'm looking for the Eudora files.

Post by Piet
-p

[pyotr filipivich]

[snip]

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by pyotr filipivich
Currently, the shortcut is targeted with
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Eudora\Eudora.exe" "C:\Program Files
(x86)\Eudora"

And there is the core of the problem... Your shortcut is explicitly
selecting the OS protected area as the data directory.

Post by pyotr filipivich
Is it possible to change the data location without reinstalling?

The program is okay -- but determining which are the data files that
need to be moved will be tricky.
First step: edit the shortcuts(s) to remove the destination directory,
just leave the executable.

..and it still looked/found the stuff in the program directory.

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
Second step: start Eudora with that shortcut. It /should/ create a new

NB "should". "If I had a nickel for every time 'it should ..."

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
data directory specific to the logged in user (ie; the one in
%userprofile%). Obviously, that will be an empty configuration.
Third step: shut down Eudora and copy the user data from Program Files
to the %userprofile% location. This will be MBX/TOC, nicknames, other stuff
C:\Users\Wulfraed>dir %userprofile%\appdata\roaming\qualcomm\eudora
Volume in drive C is OS
Volume Serial Number is 4ACC-3CB4
Directory of C:\Users\Wulfraed\appdata\roaming\qualcomm\eudora
01/31/2019 11:50 PM <DIR> .
01/31/2019 11:50 PM <DIR> ..
01/31/2019 11:40 PM <DIR> attach
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 83,453 Audit.log
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 306 descmap.pce
06/02/2013 01:41 PM 0 DoNotDel.tmp
01/31/2019 11:50 PM <DIR> Embedded
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 18,065 Eudora.ini
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 3,749,155 eudora.log
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 12,250 Eudora61Stats.xml
08/15/2018 10:32 PM 10,240,036 eudorlog.old
12/03/2016 05:31 PM <DIR> EudPriv
04/07/2018 12:01 PM 2,933 Exception.log
06/02/2013 01:32 PM <DIR> Filters
07/28/2018 07:22 AM 9,224 Filters.pce
01/28/2019 07:23 PM 3,071 History.lst
09/22/2018 09:28 AM <DIR> icons
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 101,348 In.mbx
01/31/2019 11:40 PM 513,658 In.mbx.001
01/30/2019 03:55 PM 823,090 In.mbx.002
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 1,412 In.toc
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 1,412 In.toc.001
01/30/2019 03:57 PM 1,412 In.toc.002
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 0 Junk.mbx
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 104 Junk.toc
06/02/2013 01:32 PM <DIR> LinkHistory
01/31/2019 11:40 PM 16 LinkHistory.dat
06/02/2013 01:32 PM 0 lmos.dat
10/10/2018 07:48 PM <DIR> Nickname
03/06/2018 01:29 PM 2,563 NNdbase.nnt
03/06/2018 01:29 PM 733 Nndbase.toc
01/30/2019 03:58 PM 0 Out.mbx
01/28/2019 07:22 PM 323 Out.mbx.001
11/18/2018 12:19 PM 0 Out.mbx.002
01/30/2019 03:58 PM 104 Out.toc
01/28/2019 07:23 PM 104 Out.toc.001
11/18/2018 12:19 PM 104 Out.toc.002
03/04/2018 09:50 AM <DIR> Plugins
03/06/2018 01:27 PM 175 RCPdbase.txt
01/31/2019 11:50 PM <DIR> Search
03/06/2018 01:58 PM <DIR> Sigs
01/31/2019 11:40 PM <DIR> spool
06/02/2013 01:32 PM <DIR> Stationery
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 0 Trash.mbx
01/31/2019 11:50 PM 104 Trash.toc
06/15/2013 06:31 PM 15 uchange.tlx
06/15/2013 06:31 PM 15 uignore.tlx
01/31/2019 11:40 PM 298 updateurl.htm
09/10/2016 04:23 PM 12,347 usercerts.p7b
06/15/2013 06:31 PM 15 usuggest.tlx
48 File(s) 15,602,045 bytes
16 Dir(s) 1,416,807,911,424 bytes free
C:\Users\Wulfraed>
Open the copied Eudora.ini and search for any lines referencing Program
AutoReceiveAttachmentsDirectory=C:\Users\Wulfraed\AppData\Roaming\Qualcomm\Eudora\attach
Restart Eudora -- it should now find the copied data and configuration.
When you are sure it is working (and help/about shows data in a user
location), you can start deleting the data files from Program Files -- but
only delete things you have copied, just in case Eudora still wants
something...

I have done that. Now, the program "looks" to
%userprofile%\%appdata%\qualcomm\Euroda. (Rah!)
For Owner. For Niko, he still is getting that error message.

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
C:\Users\Wulfraed>dir "c:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora"
Volume in drive C is OS
Volume Serial Number is 4ACC-3CB4
Directory of c:\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora
04/17/2017 10:06 AM <DIR> .
04/17/2017 10:06 AM <DIR> ..
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 339,835 american.clx
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 7,698 american.tlx
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 347,633 british.clx
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 7,698 british.tlx
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 986,112 dbghelp.dll
12/03/2016 07:00 PM 3,260 deudora.ini
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 30,208 DirServ.dll
12/03/2016 07:00 PM <DIR> Emoticons
12/03/2016 07:00 PM <DIR> Emoticons24
12/03/2016 07:00 PM <DIR> Emoticons32
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 16,384 esoteric.epi
09/26/2006 01:46 PM 14,133 Eudora.cnt
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 2,658,304 Eudora.exe
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 0 eudora.fts
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 0 eudora.gid
09/26/2006 01:46 PM 1,165,977 EUDORA.hlp
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 304 eudora.htm
09/26/2006 01:46 PM 18,552 eudora.tip
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 23,040 EudoraBk.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 2,338 EudoraCCProfiles.xml
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 61,512 EudoraNS.dll
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 2,465,792 EudoraRes.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 29,696 EudUnInst.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 49,213 EuGraph.ocx
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 7,680 EuLang.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 82,944 EUMAPI.DLL
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 147,537 EuMAPI32.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 64,512 EuMemMgr.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 86,016 EuShlExt.dll
12/03/2016 07:00 PM <DIR> extrastuff
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 1,640 finger.ini
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 233,901 FlameLex.dat
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 106,496 Imap.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 19,968 ISock.dll
09/26/2006 01:45 PM 143,360 Ldap.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 4,567 LDAPinit.ini
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 827,392 libeay32.dll
09/26/2006 01:45 PM 151,552 libexpat.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 15,358 License.txt
03/19/2003 12:20 AM 1,060,864 mfc71.dll
03/19/2003 12:12 AM 1,047,552 mfc71u.dll
03/18/2003 11:14 PM 499,712 msvcp71.dll
02/21/2003 07:42 AM 348,160 msvcr71.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 24,064 NSImport.eif
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 45,056 OEImport.eif
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 65,536 OLImport.eif
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 311,296 Paige32.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 57,344 Ph.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 2,546 ph.ini
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 65,536 plstclnt.dll
12/26/2016 10:56 AM <DIR> plugins
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 409,368 Qckstart.pdf
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 57,344 QCSocket.dll
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 507,904 QCSSL.dll
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 77,824 QCUtils.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 30,806 Readme.txt
10/04/2006 12:04 PM 55,376 RelNotes.txt
12/03/2016 07:00 PM <DIR> RootCerts
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 24,159 rootcerts.p7b
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 112,128 SPELL32.DLL
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 159,744 ssleay32.dll
08/17/2006 05:57 PM 180,298 swEudora.exe
09/26/2006 01:45 PM 633,856 x1lib.dll
57 File(s) 15,897,085 bytes
8 Dir(s) 1,416,802,951,168 bytes free
C:\Users\Wulfraed>
NOTE: plugins appears to be one of those that appears in user data and
program files, so don't delete it.

Hmmm, I've been wondering about some of these:
07/17/2000 20:25 PM 3,610 DEISL1.ISU
12/16/1998 05:22 AM 610 SHIVAPPP.INI
01/10/1998 16:23 PM 350 STATS.TXT
08/10/1997 22:05 PM 169 MODEMS2.INI
07/07/1997 12:06 PM 390 EMCENT.HTM
02/11/1997 03:01 AM 257,568 EUDORA16.DLL
12/19/1996 17:16 PM 95,584 SPELL16.DLL
10/01/1996 17:40 PM 89,376 SWMAPI.EXE
09/16/1996 21:43 PM 37 SSTATS.TXT
02/07/1996 00:00 AM 223,472 DIALER.EXE
02/07/1996 00:00 AM 41,265 MODEMS.INI
02/07/1996 00:00 AM 1,276,256 NETSCAPE.EXE
02/07/1996 00:00 AM 329,792 SIGNUP.EXE
12/21/1995 02:20 AM 13,647 MOREHELP.HLP
11/16/1995 00:00 AM 9,650 MODEMS.INF
09/06/1995 00:00 AM 53,716 DIALER.HLP
09/01/1995 00:00 AM 137,456 CONNAPI.DLL
06/06/1995 00:00 AM 9,008 NAS.DLL
05/07/1995 00:00 AM 16,989 SIGNUP.HLP
10/07/1994 00:00 AM 347 PROTOCOL
10/07/1994 00:00 AM 1,791 SERVICES

Okay, going to take another break from this all, and go shovel
snow. While 8 inches might no seem like much snow to many, for this
part of Washington, is shuts down schools, busineses, while we all
die.

[Dennis Lee Bieber]

Post by pyotr filipivich
..and it still looked/found the stuff in the program directory.

Odd...

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
Second step: start Eudora with that shortcut. It /should/ create a new

NB "should". "If I had a nickel for every time 'it should ..."

Well, it's been two years since the drive Win7 drive died (and no
install media -- just the "recover" partition /on the drive/, and that
wouldn't work on a cloned drive) and I had to buy Win10. I used the same
user name for my account, reinstalled all applications, then restored the
C:\Users\ stuff from a backup (couldn't magically restore the OS --
apparently the drive failure had started months earlier with the result
that I had corrupt system files in the backups).

Eudora found my data files in the expected %userprofile% location.

WHAT does Help/About show you for the data file location?

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber

Post by pyotr filipivich
..and it still looked/found the stuff in the program directory.

Odd...

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
Second step: start Eudora with that shortcut. It /should/ create a new

NB "should". "If I had a nickel for every time 'it should ..."

Well, it's been two years since the drive Win7 drive died (and no
install media -- just the "recover" partition /on the drive/, and that
wouldn't work on a cloned drive) and I had to buy Win10. I used the same
user name for my account, reinstalled all applications, then restored the
C:\Users\ stuff from a backup (couldn't magically restore the OS --
apparently the drive failure had started months earlier with the result
that I had corrupt system files in the backups).

Ick.

Post by Dennis Lee Bieber
Eudora found my data files in the expected %userprofile% location.
WHAT does Help/About show you for the data file location?

I have managed to beat it into shape, it now works as advertised.
Both users now have all the data files (mailboxes etc) in their
respective %appdata% locations. It works.

Much thanks for your detailed instructions. They did get it to
work, even if I wound up spending most of the day to accomplish this.
But I was "snowed in" so I had the time.

Again, many Thanks.

pyotr

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by pyotr filipivich
I have set up a second user account on Win7Box. Niko is just a
Standard User, so doesn't have admin access to stuff.
I want "Niko" to be able to use Eudora separately from the Owner
account. As in check email, but not mess with the stuff which Owner
has. But Niko cannot run Eudora, gets the error message "cannot
access Eudora.log." Without that access Eudora can't run. Bummer.
So, how do I convince Eudora that Niko has his own email account,
separate from Owner? Do I need to make a separate installation of
Eudora, just for him? (This does not seem reasonable, but ...)

And I got many answers. Yesterday, being a snow day, I decided I
might as well stay inside and waste time, rather than waste it
elsewhere. 8-)
Backed everything up (1st a routine batchfile copy to thumbdrive,
then copied files to a different location on the thumbdrive.)
Following Dennis's instructions and examples, moved the data files
to %userprofile%\%appdata%\Eudora. Discovered that the string [
%userprofile%\%appdata%] doesn't work, as it expands to
"C:Users\Fred\"C:Users\Fred\AppData\Roaming\Eudora" which "syntax
error, file or directory not found". B-) But once that was fixed,
_and_ editing the Eudora.ini so that all C:\ paths were correct ("Oh,
that is probably why the message wav hasn't worked, the path is to
C:\progs\Eudora...) {Yeah, I migrated to this computer in a hurry.}
Several rounds of "log out, switch users to Niko, run Eudora, make
notes" twiddling and tweaking, got it to work last night.

So: the shortcut now points to the Program files over here, with
the data files in %appdata%\Eudora. and it seems to work.

Now to fix the backup batchfiles.

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by pyotr filipivich
I have set up a second user account on Win7Box. Niko is just a
Standard User, so doesn't have admin access to stuff.
I want "Niko" to be able to use Eudora separately from the Owner
account. As in check email, but not mess with the stuff which Owner
has. But Niko cannot run Eudora, gets the error message "cannot
access Eudora.log." Without that access Eudora can't run. Bummer.
So, how do I convince Eudora that Niko has his own email account,
separate from Owner? Do I need to make a separate installation of
Eudora, just for him? (This does not seem reasonable, but ...)

And I got many answers. Yesterday, being a snow day, I decided I
might as well stay inside and waste time, rather than waste it
elsewhere. 8-)
Backed everything up (1st a routine batchfile copy to thumbdrive,
then copied files to a different location on the thumbdrive.)
Following Dennis's instructions and examples, moved the data files
to %userprofile%\%appdata%\Eudora. Discovered that the string [
%userprofile%\%appdata%] doesn't work, as it expands to
"C:Users\Fred\"C:Users\Fred\AppData\Roaming\Eudora" which "syntax
error, file or directory not found". B-) But once that was fixed,
_and_ editing the Eudora.ini so that all C:\ paths were correct ("Oh,
that is probably why the message wav hasn't worked, the path is to
C:\progs\Eudora...) {Yeah, I migrated to this computer in a hurry.}
Several rounds of "log out, switch users to Niko, run Eudora, make
notes" twiddling and tweaking, got it to work last night.
So: the shortcut now points to the Program files over here, with
the data files in %appdata%\Eudora. and it seems to work.

I had a problem with Niko's account getting duplicates of
everything, as well as not leaving stuff on the server.
Solution: count how many personas Eudora has. In this case
"Dominant" (aka 'default') and "Niko" and both were checking the same
email account, but niko was deleting the emails. So once the "extra"
persona was deleted, all has been going along reasonably well.